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- From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
- Newsgroups: sci.philosophy.tech,sci.logic
- Subject: Re: Expression
- Message-ID: <1993Jan5.073012.19014@husc3.harvard.edu>
- Date: 5 Jan 93 12:30:10 GMT
- References: <C0Apzo.IDG@ccu.umanitoba.ca> <1993Jan3.194211.18969@husc3.harvard.edu> <C0CuM3.sv@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
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- In article <C0CuM3.sv@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
- feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Feld) writes:
-
- >In article <1993Jan3.194211.18969@husc3.harvard.edu>
- >zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:
-
- >>In article <C0Apzo.IDG@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
- >>feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Feld) writes:
-
- MF:
- >>>1) That every case of (A&B) is also a case of (A) does not establish
- >>>that there is no distinction betwen (A&B) and (A);
-
- MZ:
- >>Soit. Was anyone stupid enough to claim otherwise?
-
- MF:
- >Well, yeah, sort of; or at least, accidentally committed himself to
- >some such; but the villain escapes just deserts, because the line to
- >which I was replying seems to have gone missing, and I don't keep a
- >file of old discussions. So one of us is dead lucky, boy oh boy.
-
- The most you can accuse me of, is having said something that lends
- itself to misinterpretation when taken out of context. I think the
- same is true of all human discourse.
-
- MZ:
- >>are you really suggesting that the fact
- >>of expressing one's attitude, is not _ipso facto_ an occasion of
- >>reporting one's dispositional property to behave in a certain fashion,
-
- MF:
- >Oh, yes; certainly; of course: the whole point of doing a taxonomy of
- >speech acts is to win the freedom to distinguish EXPRESSING from
- >REPORTING. Whether or not emotivism is true (and, of course, you and
- >I know it to be false), it does not dissolve into egoism; expressing
- >distaste does not equate to correctly reporting distaste -- else,
- >logical positivists would never have hoped to simultaneously espouse
- >value noncognitivism and emotivism. And as to setting snares under my own
- >feet, your admirer proposes a "what? you offer vulgar behaviourism?" metaphor.
-
- Surely the correct question is whether logical positivists *could*
- ever have hoped to simultaneously espouse value noncognitivism and
- emotivism. Surely you can figure out my answer to the question on the
- basis of what I have said.
-
- MZ:
- >>or a factual property of having a certain type of belief?
-
- MF:
- >Don't know what you mean here. That one may validly infer from the
- >expression of distaste to the presence of some belief about inherent
- >value? Depends on context, as we pragmatists say. Babies express
- >dis-taste for green olives, but their beliefs are probably restricted
- >to theorems about squares on triangles.
-
- Wasn't that Norman Malcolm who attributed a belief that a squirrel was
- up in *that* (factually wrong) tree, to his befuddled dog?
-
- >--
- >Michael Feld | E-mail: <feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
- >Dept. of Philosophy | FAX: (204) 261-0021
- >University of Manitoba | Voice: (204) 474-9136
- >Winnipeg, MB, R3T 2M8, Canada
-
-
- cordially,
- mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
- "Les beaulx bastisseurs nouveaulx de pierres mortes ne sont escriptz
- en mon livre de vie. Je ne bastis que pierres vives: ce sont hommes."
-