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- From: wayman@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jeffrey Wayman)
- Subject: Re: Dumb school administrators and parents
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- Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:59:54 GMT
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- In article <C0rGps.to@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> lamoran@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (L.A. Moran) writes:
- >In an earlier posting I mentioned that my two children were in high school
- >and that they were involved in sports and music. I pointed out that is
- >was probably not worthwhile for them to drop these activities in order
- >to spend more time on traditional academic subjects.
- >
- >Herman Rubin writes;
- >
- > "FORGET THE GRADES. Unless the school is very unusual, they are
- > getting a garbage education. Even somewhat bright children are
- > being totally shortchanged by the imbecilic curriculum now being
- > taught.
- >
- > But do they have any idea of the intellectual content they are
- > missing? A reasonably good student is capable of learning many
- > times what is now being taught in the schools without working
- > very hard. Especially the basic conceptual material, which is
- > even more submerged under memorization than in the past."
- >
- >My children attend a public high school in a suburb of Toronto. They are
- >getting an excellent education - I am very impressed. Both of them are
- >being challenged in school by teachers who have expanded on the basic
- >curriculum for bright students. In addition their learning is not confined
- >to school - they have intellectual interests that they pursue outside of
- >the class room.
- >
- >Herman Rubin continues,
- >
- > "But they are being deprived of the pleasure of learning! Has it
- > already gone to the point where they are no longer capable of the
- > mental processes which they could do easily as small children? This
- > is not facetious; the ability to think in terms of structure,
- > almost totally absent in the current excuse for an educational
- > system, and only recently "objectively" demonstrated as being
- > present in the very young, IS beyond the capability of the great
- > bulk of present school teachers."
- >
- >Your experience is obviously very different from mine. My children's teachers
- >have been excellent. They are well paid professionals who take their jobs
- >seriously. While I can't claim that they are perfect, they are at least as
- >good as any other group of professionals that I have been in contact with.
- >This includes University teachers, such as myself, and business types in the
- >private sector.
- >
- >Herman, I know that you have a very low opinion of the educational system
- >in the United States but I am aware of many excellent public school systems
- >scattered across the country. It is not fair to criticize all teachers on the
- >basis of your own experience and prejudices against publically funded
- >institutions.
- >
- >Larry Moran
-
-
- I was very glad to see the positive nature of Larry's post.
- I'm sure we all agree that the educational system isn't perfect,
- but we are never going to get anywhere by screaming about how awful
- it is, then never doing anything. That's lazy and hurts the
- true teachers. We can, however, make positive changes by noting
- the good things and changing the bad for the better.
-
- Jeff wayman@lamar.colostate.edu
-