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- From: dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter)
- Newsgroups: comp.std.internat
- Subject: Re: Let's develop ISO sorting rules
- Message-ID: <8595@charon.cwi.nl>
- Date: 12 Jan 93 01:49:27 GMT
- References: <1ihe8gEINNh5q@uni-erlangen.de> <1993Jan8.075233.5262@eecs.nwu.edu> <1iscn0EINNhjt@uni-erlangen.de>
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- In article <1iscn0EINNhjt@uni-erlangen.de> mskuhn@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de writes:
- > What the hell is this "English sorting order"?
- Agreed.
-
- > Perhaps we are speaking
- > about the same idea, an international DEFAULT sorting order, that will be
- > acceptable in many countries.
- Might be useful, but what you forget is that sorting is for the users, not
- for the programmers (the programmers can sort any way they seem fit, as
- long as the user understands it). What about the user who normally does
- not distinguish V and W (as in many scandinavian countries)? What language
- users would accept a sorting where diacritics are ignored and sorting is
- done with 26 letters (plus additions for Icelandic Edh and Thorn). Moreover,
- where would you classify the 5 Nama (Hottentot) clicks, represented by: /,
- /= (overprint these two), //, ! and #? I know Unicode has LATIN LETTER
- EXCLAMATION POINT for one of these, I do not have the Unicode Standard
- (as it was sold out when I tried to buy it), but I would not be surprised
- if there are further LATIN LETTER code points for the additional clicks.
-
- > There won't even be collisions if you add France and Germany.
- Perhaps no, but add Spanish and you get problems.
-
- > But I don't know that any has been defined yet. If people in Sweden need
- > a different order, than they should get their order, no problem.
- Ok, where do I sort "!homi" and "//natib"?
-
- > But it would be a good idea to define a default order that might be
- > easily refered to (e.g. as an ISO standard) and that satisfies the
- > needs of the greatest set of countries for which this is possible with
- > one sorting order.
- This would be ridiculous if the number of users from those countries are
- only a minority.
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