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- From: jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
- Newsgroups: comp.std.internat
- Subject: Re: Dumb Americans (was INTERNATIONALIZATION: JAPAN, FAR EAST)
- Message-ID: <1993Jan12.153812.46344@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>
- Date: 12 Jan 93 15:38:12 CST
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- In article <ISHIKAWA.93Jan8125424@ds5200.personal-media.co.jp>, ishikawa@personal-media.co.jp (Chiaki Ishikawa) writes:
- >
- > From a Japanese perspective:
- >
-
- > May I suggest that before going into ISO arena, each country (or
- > culture group) codify the existing methods clearly in writing? And
-
- [very relevant example of difficultly of sorting with kanjinames]
- [with no furigana phonetic cues]
-
- > I believe the correct approach to sorting is to codify the existing
- > rules of each country/culture/whatever, and then publish them in a
- > easy to read documents which are understandable by reasonably talented
- > programmers of other countries. Code examples for each sorting rules
- > will go a long way. This will help I18N from the bottom.
-
- What are you're ideas for a Japanese specific solution?
-
- I've often wondered why JIS level 2 was switched to a radical sorting
- routine from the level 1 phonetic orientation. This has made it quite
- cumbersome for me to try to code dictionary utilities, for example. One must
- *construct* radical orderings for level 1 and kana orderings for level
- 2 manually. Wouldn't a standard with fields for both radical order
- and kana order be more efficient, especially with more of a focus on
- international compatability in formats?
-
- > I doubt if it is just a complexity issue. The whole concept of
- > language independence sounds like a pipe dream to me. (see the
- > discussion of Japanese sorting above.) There is nothing wrong about
- > language-specific solutions IMHO as long as such solutions (adopted
- > from existing practices) are freely available in understandable
- > documentation.
-
- Perhaps it would not be a problem solvable now, but given standards
- that were linguistically independent--some abstracted stardard that
- would regulate linguistically specific examples--it would be a
- possibiliity, right? Perhaps, the attempt by some to propose the
- "default" sorting--read Western romanized sorting--as something
- naively approachable may be flawed, but certainly talk should
- continue for a solution that is linguistically independent and thereby
- inclusive of all linguistic data.
-
-
- I agree the language-specific solutions are fine for now. Especially
- considering that's all that's really practical. :)
-
- > Chiaki Ishikawa, Personal Media Corp., MY Bldg, 1-7-7 Hiratsuka,
- > Shinagawa, Tokyo 142, JAPAN. FAX:+81-3-5702-0359, Phone:+81-3-5702-0351
- > UUNET: ishikawa@personal-media.co.jp
- --
- jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
- James Miller
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