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- From: erik@poel.juice.or.jp (Erik M. van der Poel)
- Newsgroups: comp.std.internat
- Subject: islands
- Message-ID: <C0MKEu.5or@poel.juice.or.jp>
- Date: 10 Jan 93 06:23:18 GMT
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- > plan 9 is inherently very distributed and so we see
- > the difficulties of teh island approach earlier or more clearly.
-
- The way I see it, Plan 9 is itself an island. The island may become
- very large if enough people see that UTF is a good solution for
- predominantly ASCII environments. The island may even subsume the
- Latin-1 communities if they haven't invested too much already in their
- code. I wonder how successful UTF will be in Japan.
-
-
- > on the other hand, i'd be the last person to advocate massive system
- > upheavals just for the sake of using 10646.
-
- Yes, in some cases it's too close to an "all pain, no gain"
- proposition, especially since the need for truly multilingual text
- isn't as great as that for one's own language (plus English).
-
-
- > if you are willing to be
- > an island, and for many systems it may be the practical choice, then
- > all power to you.
-
- Bell Labs was willing to be an island, and UTF was a practical choice,
- since most of their text files are ASCII. That is why Plan 9 could
- take the UTF approach. (Congratulations, NOT flames.)
-
- It will be interesting to see how organizations with truly distributed
- systems (as in "selling hardware all over the world") try to cope with
- this Unicode thing. For example, Sun may not be able to take the
- all-the-world-is-UTF approach, since they have a fairly large number
- of customers using non-ASCII text. Two major examples of this are
- Japanese EUC and European EUC (aka Latin-1).
-
- They currently use environment variables (e.g. "LANG") for "file
- typing". This is how they can use the same "vi" binary in both Japan
- and Germany. One conceivable approach is to extend this rudimentary
- file typing to actual file attributes ("groan, not this guy again" I
- hear all of you saying), extending NFS as well with a negotiated file
- type option.
-
- Then again, that may be too much pain too. Like I said, it will be
- interesting to see what they do about Unicode.
-
- I read that Microsoft is planning to support both Unicode and
- Shift-JIS for Windows NT in Japan. I wonder if they have some sort of
- file typing. Byte-order mark, perhaps? Anybody know?
-
- Maybe Sun should go for such a "magic number" method?
- -
- --
- Erik M. van der Poel erik@poel.juice.or.jp
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