home *** CD-ROM | disk | FTP | other *** search
- Xref: sparky comp.graphics:13684 alt.graphics.pixutils:2898 alt.binaries.pictures.utilities:2472 alt.binaries.pictures.d:6124
- Newsgroups: comp.graphics,alt.graphics.pixutils,alt.binaries.pictures.utilities,alt.binaries.pictures.d
- Path: sparky!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!hpux.rz.uni-jena.de!pfk
- From: pfk@rz.uni-jena.de (Frank Klemm)
- Subject: Re: JPEG "Standard"
- Message-ID: <1993Jan12.165152.9908@rz.uni-jena.de>
- Sender: news@rz.uni-jena.de (The News)
- Nntp-Posting-Host: cnve.rz.uni-jena.de
- Reply-To: pfk@rz.uni-jena.de (Frank Klemm)
- Organization: University Jena, Germany
- References: <1ijc1tINN14h@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <1ijc59INN155@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <C0JzJJ.Hup.2@cs.cmu.edu> <C0K6wD.MH1@cs.columbia.edu>
- Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:51:52 GMT
- Lines: 54
-
-
- In article <C0K6wD.MH1@cs.columbia.edu>, hee@cs.columbia.edu (Edward Hee) writes:
- |> In article <C0JzJJ.Hup.2@cs.cmu.edu> tgl+@cs.cmu.edu (Tom Lane) writes:
- |> >
- |> >I'm guessing that you proceeded by loading and displaying the image, then
- |> >using "Save". This is a bad move since both programs will quantize the
- |> >24-bit image down to 8 bits for display (assuming your display hardware is 8
- |> >bits). JPEG is intended for compressing 24-bit data, not 8-bit; your JPEG
- |> >files are larger and of lower quality than they would be if you had made
- |> >them directly from the Targa or BMP file.
- |> ...
- |> >The difference in file size is due to Colorview and WinJPEG using different
- |> >quantization algorithms; hence the data fed to the JPEG compressor is not
- |> >the same. In particular, I'd bet you had dithering turned off in ColorView.
- |> ...
- |> >
- |> > regards, tom lane
- |> >
- |>
- |>
- |> This is incorrect.
- This is incorrect. Tom say that the human eye can distingues more than 256
- gray scales and that correct. The number is about 400-600.
- Some top level graphics systems are using 3x10 bit + 2 unused bits per pixel.
- |>
- |> ColorView uses the best available image format for saving. If the original
- |> image was 24 bits, the save JPEG option will write from the original 24 bit
- |> source, even if an 8 bit quantized version was created for display.
- |>
- For scaned pictures 24 bit is the best format, or JPEG, if you don't want to sharp
- and proceed filters on the picture.
- For comics and line art you can use less colors.
- |>
- |> In fact, ColorView uses the 8 bit image only when absolutely necessary,
- |> eg. for an 8-bit display, or for writing an 8 bit image such as GIF, or
- |> 8 bit BMP. All other processing is pefrformed on the original 24 bit image
- |> for the highest output quality.
- |>
- |> This is the main reason the image saved with ColorView is smaller.
- |>
- |> Dithering adds a lot of noise to an image. The file written by WinJPEG is
- |> bigger because it contains a lot of extraneous dithering information not
- |> necessary for writing the 24 bit JPEG.
- |>
- |> As far as batch conversions of image files, ColorView version 2.1 is in beta
- |> test and will be released in a few days. The new features include batch
- |> conversion from GIF/BMP/JPEG to any of the supported formats. The conversion
- |> utility operates completely in the text mode, and does not require a VGA/SVGA
- |> card, or a VESA driver.
- |>
- Where can someone get Colorview?
-
-
- Frank
-