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- Subject: (Fwd: *C&CD*) Tech school offerings (17)
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- Entry: 17
- Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 04:26:20 EST
- From: IN%"RobertRoyar@Delphi.COM" Robert Royar, (C&CD Moderator)
- Message-id: <1993Jan08.042620.v7.062.1.Grendel.Lair@Cratylus>
- Subject: Tech school offerings (17)
- Reply-to: "Computers & Composition Digest (R. Royar)" <R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET>
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- >Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:26:22 -0600
- >From: Gallus <galbri@bernoulli.bethel.edu>
- >Subject: RE: (Fwd: *C&CD*) What I was NOT complaining about/ (Required Courses) (18)
- >Message-id: <199301080126.AA01548@bernoulli.bethel.edu>
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- >becoming less and less. If this keeps up, the country will be filled with no
- >liberal arts schools, and thousands of "tech" schools; I want my children to
-
- Yes, this is a problem. At my school (a tech school) there is a constant
- tension between the goals of a liberal arts education--with well-rounded
- course offerings--and the desire to offer a structured, intense, and
- career-oriented technical curiculum. Ironically, the most popular (and
- by-far the largest) school in the NYIT system is the school of Liberal Arts
- Sciences and Communication. We're also the school that ranks highest on the
- student satisfaction and retention scores. Our students are mostly
- non-traditional, many first and second generation Citizens, most first
- generation College students.
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- >By not teaching students about the world in the lower educational
- >levels, they nolonger have an active interest in doing so when they finally have
- >the chance.
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- I was lucky enough to have gotten world history courses in grades 2-6
- (again later in high school). But I was unfortunate that history,
- geography, and extra reading time did not allow my elementary school to
- offer any science curriculum. I read about science topics on my own but
- would have loved to have had some opportunity even to talk about
- electricity (for example) in grades 4-6.
-
- There is always a trade off. But even with the more traditional background,
- the classses were still large (30+ students by grade 4). By the sixth grade
- about 1/3 of the class was way behind the other 2/3s and lost. Only about
- 1/6 were "succeding" enough in the math to make it into a college track in
- middle and high school. This meant that the 1/6 of us who were succeding
- struggled the next year when introduced to advanced math concepts that our
- sixth-grade teacher could not get to because most of the class never got
- the math basics. (From the test results 6 of the students from the sixth
- grade were reading at a second grade or lower level. She had a difficult
- time trying to teach a class with such a broad range of preparedness.)
-
- On the other hand, considering that two generations before mine the
- percentage of students who got past the eighth grade was about 10% in our
- state (Kentucky), the elementary system was doing a better job of adapting
- the education for the largest number of purveyors of the service.
-
- -- Robert Royar (RobertRoyar@Delphi.com) New York Institute of Technology
- "Do not search for the truth. Simply cease to cherish opinion."
- -Sengstan
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