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- From: holmes@opal.idbsu.edu (Randall Holmes)
- Subject: Re: MINDWALK - An exercise in Passionate Thought
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- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:50:57 GMT
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- In article <memo.834815@cix.compulink.co.uk> shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
- >In-Reply-To: <1992Dec23.233605.10674@fulcrum.oz.au> steve@fulcrum.oz.au (Steve Taylor)
- >
- >>I love that phrase. "Wrestling with phantasmal pigs" perfectly describes
- >>the experience of trying to interpret new age science. I wish I could >remember whic
- >h physicist to attribute this to (Fermi?), but "That`s
- >ot >right. That's not even wrong" also describes the confusion of
- >trying to >decode new age thinking.
-
- Nice quotes!
-
- >
- >
- >The trouble that I have, is that no thought is considered to be
- >worthe considering unless it has been published, and preferably years
- >ago by someone that some other academic has made a career out of
- >discussing:-)
-
- For the record, any _thought_ is worth considering.
-
- >
- >
- >The dilemma that anyone has who is trying to introduce new ideas is
- >this :-)
- >
- > 1/. Should he do the degree course, learn the jargon and the
- > BS and end up with all the originality knocked out of him, and
- > become a teacher or computer scientist?
- >
- > 2/. Should he read Ayn Rand or Bohm,
-
-
- I am stunned by this juxtaposition. Let me pause to clear my head...
-
- and attempt to use some of
- > their less arcane concepts to make a point that Kant o
- > Russell
- > may have missed, and thereby be labeled irretrievably as a
- > 'New Age' lunatic.
-
- Rand can hardly be described as "New Age" (frequently wrong, but not
- New Age!).
-
- The capsule description of how to get new ideas also leaves me bemused.
-
- >
- > 3/. Write it all down and make a popular film about it.
- >
- > 4/. Go back to masturbation in disgust.
- >
- >
- >I have a 'strong intuition' that those who espouse Occam, would do
- >well to examine ALL the conceptual models of the universe - not just
- >the mediaeval time/space/matter/determinism of Newton, or the
- >Rational Forms of the greeks and latterly logicians.
- >
- >That way we might just come up with some simpler and cleaner views of
- >the universe, and ourselves.
- >
- >It is right to be critical of sloppy thinking. That is a logicians
- >pregogative. I think it is dangerous to refuse to consider
- >alternative possibile models of the universe.
- ^^^^^^^^^
-
-
- >
-
- We do consider as many _possible_ models of the universe as we can lay
- our hands on. We do not consider _impossible_ ones, and we do not have
- the time or energy to talk all the advocates of impossible ones out of
- their confusions.
-
- --
- The opinions expressed | --Sincerely,
- above are not the "official" | M. Randall Holmes
- opinions of any person | Math. Dept., Boise State Univ.
- or institution. | holmes@opal.idbsu.edu
-