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- From: tgttgv@tb3.chem.tue.nl (Jan Vaessen)
- Newsgroups: rec.railroad
- Subject: Re: Deaths on Railroad Property: common sense or am I an Idiot?
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- Date: 24 Dec 92 10:40:31 GMT
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- b_nbca@icarus.lbl.gov (Bruce Nordman) writes:
-
- >(Not contradicting anything previously said:)
-
- >I think the sense that "these people must be dumb" to climb on
- >the tracks and get killed derives from the fact that the behavior
- >people engage in on rail_roads_ is not what they would probably
- >do on any other road. That is, if they treated railroads like
- >car roads (like freeways, given the speeds involved), they
- >wouldn't be in the situations that got them killed.
- >(This just to explain, not justify or excuse anything).
-
- I think you're hitting a very crucial point stating that people have a
- different attitude towards car roads than towards rail roads. Since the
- majority of the population in the US is no longer using the railroad as
- a means of transport, rail roads are no longer considered as
- infrastructure that is there for public benefit (like car roads, power
- lines, airports) but as infrastructure belonging to a certain company
- that they use to make profit (just like for instance a chemical plant).
- I think you will find different attitudes with people living close to a
- frequently used freight line than with people living close to a commuter
- railroad which they use regularly.
-
- As far as liability concerns: I think railroads have full responsibility
- towards people that come close to rail roads for the railroad's sake; in
- other words: customers. This mainly involves safety in train stations:
- proper underpasses so that people won't cross the tracks, elevated
- platforms will help also. As for as other people-rail encounters are
- concerned: both are using the same space, and it is the responsability
- of both that they can live together safely. The safest way of railroad
- operation is to fence off all railroads and have no more grade
- crossings. However, railroads do have a responsibility not cutting the
- country into isolated parts. Main roads must be respected by the
- railroads. But when it comes to residential areas close to tracks the
- situation is different: the local authorities have planned a residential
- area right there near an existing railroad, so it is also their
- responsibility to ensure that people and railroads can operate safely in
- the same space.
-
- To speak for the Netherlands: the Dutch railroad company (NS) is
- responsible for maintaining safety at grade crossings and fencing off
- the tracks in residential areas. But of course, they are subsidized by
- our government. In the US, where most railroad companies recieve hardly
- any or no financial support from the authorities, it is not right to
- demand from them to pay for all the safety measurements.
-
- If people are using the tracks as a shortcut, it is a sign of bad
- planning and it is a shared responsibility of railroads and local
- authorities to solve this safety problem.
-
-
- >I think a lot of people have seen trains moving slowly and so
- >expect that all trains move slowly. I have the same problem
- >on my bicycle a lot, where people assume that since some bikes
- >move slowly, they all do.
-
- True: I was brought up with the idea that trains move fast and you are
- allways in danger when you are on the track, even at a protected
- crossing. As a little boy I went to summercamp near an abandoned
- railroad, which we used to walk to town. I was allways very scared and
- kept looking around if there was no trains coming. Also, when I visited
- Canada some time ago, people looked very strange seeing me looking
- carefully three times before crossing tracks at an unprotected crossing.
- I think education is the keyword here !
-
-
- Jan Vaessen
- Eindhoven University of Technology
- Eindhoven, the Netherlands
-
-