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- From: hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu
- Subject: RE: Bullshit (was: *Any* kind of r.a.b. split, or at least a *serious*
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- Date: 24 DEC 92 06:54:59 GMT
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- I wrote:
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- >>Oh, bullshit. Bullshit! BULLSHIT!! There's no brand-new culture! There
- >>are no new rules for politeness and propriety! What people like you have
- >>to understand is: This group is not some kind of shadow play, this is Real
- >>Life. You are talking to Real People.
-
- Mike Godwin wrote:
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- >I strongly doubt that you and Barbara Hlavin have any significant
- >disagreement on this particular issue.
-
- Oh really? I will quote these words of Barbara's for you again:
-
- >>>People who engage in what passes for communication here have to
- >>>understand that we, collectively, form a brand-new culture, one
- >>>that has a life of its own. Not everyone is comfortable with its
- >>>manners and rituals as they've more or less evolved, just as not
- >>>everyone in the world is comfortable eating with knives and forks,
- >>>or with chopsticks; it's not Their Way. But it's the way it is
- >>>*here*.
-
- How would you interpret these remarks?
-
- And let me again quote these words of Barbara's:
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- >>>this goes with the territory. One person's attempt at formality
- >>>and courtesy will inevitably be interpreted by *some*one, *some*where
- >>>as rudeness or indecisiveness. There's no end to the ways we are
- >>>capable of misinterpreting one another.
-
- And I said:
-
- >>Ever read the Gettysburg Address?
-
- *Have* you ever read it?
-
- Can you say that any attempt at courtesy and politeness is rendered
- meaningless because someone, somewhere, won't understand it? Is there no
- common ground of civility? Of decency? Of honor?
-
- If there is no such common ground, why do we bother talking at all?
-
- Heather
- HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
-