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- Path: sparky!uunet!mitech!gjc
- From: gjc@mitech.com (George J. Carrette)
- Newsgroups: ne.politics
- Subject: Re: State Socialism (last one, for sure)
- Message-ID: <4269@mitech.com>
- Date: 30 Dec 92 11:35:08 GMT
- References: <20434@ksr.com> <58039@dime.cs.umass.edu> <20472@ksr.com> <58077@dime.cs.umass.edu>
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- In article <58077@dime.cs.umass.edu>, yodaiken@chelm.cs.umass.edu (victor yodaiken) writes:
- > This is nonsense. The peak of Soviet economic growth appeared in the
- > early 1930's when the Soviet Union was transformed, brutally, from an
- > agrarian nation to an industrial one.
-
- Maybe you can help me with a serious problem. I cannot figure
- out how to measure economic growth in an environment where millions
- of people are dying. In particular:
-
- How do you value the output of the slave
- labor as compared with the value of the slaves that died?
-
- >[straw man where ...]
- > pre-revolutionary Russia was well on its way to the capitalist paradise
- > when the bad commies showed up and stole the cake.
-
- Was anyplace a "capitalist paradise?" Was the USA a paradise?
-
- Can anybody deny that "massive changes" took place in the UK, USA?
- But were millions of people killed by the government, or even
- by capitalist private armies during the industrial revolution?
- Certainly not. The USA in particular was attracting millions of
- people.
-
- What was it about the Communist systems that made it possible,
- convenient, or otherwise available to kill millions of people in order
- to effect these "massive changes?"
-
- Did the Chinese do much better the second time around?
-
- -gjc
-