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- From: yodaiken@chelm.cs.umass.edu (victor yodaiken)
- Newsgroups: ne.politics
- Subject: Re: State Socialism
- Message-ID: <58093@dime.cs.umass.edu>
- Date: 29 Dec 92 20:37:28 GMT
- References: <20434@ksr.com> <58039@dime.cs.umass.edu> <4253@mitech.com>
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- In article <4253@mitech.com> gjc@mitech.com (George J. Carrette) writes:
- >In article <58039@dime.cs.umass.edu>, yodaiken@chelm.cs.umass.edu (victor yodaiken) writes:
- >> When I traveled in China in 1982 I met more than
- >> one Indian student who was wildly enthusiastic about a poor nation where
- >> children on the street looked well fed and healthy. And none of us had
- >> any illusions about how despotic, corrupt, and inefficient the Maoist
- >> government was.
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- >But I think you may have some illusions about how free-market India is!
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- No country is capitalist, if you want to be doctrinaire about it.
- There always was some free-market in the USSR and the US government has
- developed long term technology policies since the 1940's, but the
- difference between the economic systems is great. In any case, the point
- is simply that no purpose is served by rah-rah cheering for the
- glories of capitalism (or any other ism). The governments of the USSR and
- China came to power because the previous governments failed, not because
- of a plot by some baddies. Both Mao and Stalin lead their nations through
- rapid industrializations at tremendous cost. It is nice to believe
- that nations might industrialize without the help of these kinds of
- criminals, but a clear eyed look at how the US and UK became industrial
- powers will turn up some appalling events. Investment capital for
- industrialization has to come from somewhere, and industrializing nations
- seem to need strong governments to protect fledgling industries from
- competition and to force open markets. One does not have to be an apologist
- for slave labor camps to admit the accomplishments of Stalinist Russia, any
- more than one has to be an apologist for genocide of the indians or
- african slavery to admit the accomplishments of the 19th century USA.
- Maoist china was a prison camp, but Maoist China did something that
- pre-maoist china did not: it restored social order and freed agriculture
- from the grip of feudalism, and it gave china an industrial base.
- There are many third world nations that did not enjoy governments even
- so minimally competent.
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