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- From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)
- Subject: Re: NeXT vs Mac, Whats the difference?
- Message-ID: <1992Dec25.204435.19983@wam.umd.edu>
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- Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 20:44:35 GMT
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- In article <1hfpdvINN30b@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) writes:
- >
- >In article <1992Dec25.143325.3711@wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:
- >>
- >> Unixware USER + Development : $500 + $950. < NeXtStep )$2200
- >
- >I don't understand why you continue to present NeXT in the most negative light
- >you can. You know (as we've discussed by email) that Unixware's User version
- >doesn't include such nice (and necessary to many) features like TCP/IP support
- >(i.e., no ethernet) and a couple of other optional packages that will be
- >standard with the user version of NS 486. For those who need these packages,
- >the price for the Unixware user version is essentially identical with NS 486.
- >Of course, there are some users who might want the stripped down version of
- >Unixware for $500.
-
-
- The UnixWare server version (full server capability) and
- the development tools come to the same price as the NeXT developer
- version. My point was, and has been all along, that you can
- get *user versions* for a reasonable price, and server versions
- for machines that need to be servers.
-
-
-
- >And NS 486's announced (but not confirmed to my knowledge) prices are
- >comparable to all Intel Unix packages that I've seen on a feature-by-feature
- >basis. What some of these other packages offer are stripped down versions for
- >less money, but when you load them up with Motif development support, your at
- >the NS 486 developer version price range.
-
-
-
- NS could be a *user* os, not a develpment OS. A "development
- OS" wont get NeXT anywhere--a user OS would get them in the door
- of a pretty good number of end-user machines. Suppose that
- they get a steady 4% of the new 486 market--that's probably
- greater, in the long run, than they'll get (both financially
- and volume wise) by selling NeXTStep at a price that condemns
- it to "only for programmers" status. Does anyone really believe
- that--at the prices NeXT is asking--software development is
- going to suddenly jump? Not a chance! Software development--
- that is, shrinkwrapped programs, not in house specials--is what
- NeXT most needs (that and better hardware) and they're pricing
- themselves out of the picture.
-
- As for a developer platform, Lotus thought so too. At least they
- did. What's the latest version of Improv, anyway?
-
- <sarcasm, there. The latest version is in beta for Windows>
-
-
-
-
- >Of course, all Intel Unix vendors might need to adjust their prices if the see
- >Windows NT as a real competitor.
-
-
-
- Anyone who doesn't see NT as at least a"competitor" already is
- out of their minds. Even if Nt is a bug ridden piece o' junk
- for the next two years, it will probably sell better than any
- of the Intel unixes. (probably better than all combined).
- It's only a matter of time (years, if the beta is any real
- means to judge) before NT becomes sturdy and stable--and interface
- alone is not a strong enough factor to justify a product two
- or three times the cost with, perhaps, 1/10th [or less]
- the amount of native software.
-
-
- >> 2. The compatibility also hasn't been determined. It probably
- >> wont be as good as OS/2, which most people find "sufficient" or
- >> "adequate"
- >
- >Upon what do you base this? Sounds like more of your NeXT negativism to me.
-
-
- Sounds pretty fair. "has not yet been determined" is about
- as accurate as you can get, and as to the comparison with
- OS/2--unless NeXT is willing to risk system integrity, they'll
- have to rule out a number of drivers and programs that take
- over the 486. This is NT's problem as well (OS/2 does a better
- job, but trades stability for it--and I *still* have a number
- of programs that can't run under that, either.)
-
-
-
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-
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