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- From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
- Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
- Date: 29 Dec 1992 05:37:43 GMT
- Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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- In article <1992Dec28.201436.17383@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
- >Your point about sales vs. quality is obvious. However, why do you call DOS
- >a non-OS? Even the ROMs in my Atari 800 were called an OS. It seems like
- >the term changes meaning as time goes by. If that's the case, then this
- >discussion is pointless.
-
- I'm NOT going to get into an OS argument about DOS. It's a program
- loader, and that's as far as I'll go. Ask Henessey & Patterson for
- details, if you like, they're available.
-
- >: No, everybody'd be buying machines that had some technical merit,
- >: likely.
-
- >Your opinions are showing again!
-
- Then let me try to detach my opinions.
-
- They'd be buying machines whose hardware fit their tasks as well as
- their software. They'd be buying machines, not because everybody else
- has one, not because "well, there's a whole network of them" as if you
- can't network more than one type of computer. You'd buy the system
- which, probably, had the most up-to-date hardware and software.
-
- I wouldn't venture to call ISA ground-breaking architecture, would
- you? I wouldn't call it up-to-date either. As a matter of fact, not
- even EISA falls under that. Though some of the new buses along our
- future, such as the scaleable coherent interface, promise to bring
- much more power to future systems.
-
- >My statement was about Windows, not DOS. AmigaOS lacks certain features of
- >Windows, and vice versa. The point is, they are different; they were designed
- >for different markets and purposes, so comparing them is like comparing
- >Porsches to Mercedes-Benz S-Class sedans.
-
- They do a similar task--they play the part of operating system. The
- AmigaOS, designed from the ground up to be an OS, has obvious merits,
- as does Windows. But in the end, if you want Windows to be an OS,
- you'll have to go the way they have of NT. Because in the end, it's
- nothing more than a program that sits on top of MS-DOS, and plays the
- part of system-wide moderator.
-
- It's a "grey-area". It's almost an OS, it's almost not.
-
- >What generalizations? Careful, though; make sure you only list things I
- >actually said. Mr. Bickers has posted enough lies already.
-
- How's this:
- >Actually, I believe it *is* fortunate. If everyone thought like you, they'd
- >all buy the same machine, and the industry would stagnate. As bad as you may
- >think Windows is, it did force Commodore to polish the WB and start thinking
- >about DIG/VM.
-
- That was what it was in reply to. Sweeping generalizations in the
- above sentences:
-
- 1) Don't be foolish enough to assume that Windows is the
- reason that the Amiga's GUI changed. There are some people here who
- remember 1.4.
-
- 2) They haven't "started thinking about DIG/VM". First,
- they're not currently CONSIDERING VM. Frankly, that's just fine. It
- exists as a third party program, and works just fine. Second, they've
- put a lot of time into DIG so far, and they've got a ways to go.
- Don't assume that suddenly Windows became the first DIG pseudo-OS
- available, long before it was two of the premiere to the Unix users,
- NeXTStep and NEWS, both postscript. Before that, there's the Mac,
- which has DIG, and has had for a long time... it would be a far more
- likely assumption that it was high-end pressure from the Mac, and a
- real desire to crack the higher-end markets that brings on the RTG
- (note, NOT DIG, there IS a difference) you will see.
-
- 3) "If everyone was like you"? Do remember, he isn't the one
- that bought the mainstream computing machine that everybody and their
- grandmother owns and supports... He's an Amiga user, and as so, to
- coin a phrase, has taken "the road less travelled". The comment you
- made actually fits the average PC-Clone user/purchaser's mindset
- closer.
-
- >I never made any such claim. I only objected to John's Windows-bashing.
- >You seem to have perceived it as a claim of Windows superiority. It wasn't.
-
- The perceptions I have are nothing more than that ascertained from
- what you write. You ask if I have a bias against Windows? Perhaps,
- but only in that it is doing a beautiful job at what it isn't--an OS.
- I shall stand by that for a long time, I think. At least until the
- release of NT. Where Windows falls short, NT has overshot. But it,
- at least, is an OS, which is, again, where my predjudice lies.
-
- >Opinions, opinions, opinions...
-
- Are they? Perhaps you should ask H&P what they think, you'll see that
- while it shouldn't be considered a "non-os", it's in that lovely grey
- area that so few OSes have ever fallen into.
-
- Greg
-
-
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