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- From: karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger)
- Subject: Re: Professional registration
- Summary: JUST SAY NO!
- Message-ID: <C00753.Mp0@ddsw1.mcs.com>
- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 04:29:26 GMT
- References: <bhayden.724606872@teal> <1992Dec22.130407.28628@tijc02.uucp>
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- In article <1992Dec22.130407.28628@tijc02.uucp> pjs269@tijc02.uucp (Paul Schmidt) writes:
- >bhayden@teal.csn.org (Bruce Hayden) writes:
- >: morpheus@entropy.mcds.com (morpheus) writes:
- >:
- >: >Jim.Riddle@inns.omahug.org (Jim Riddle) writes:
- >:
- >: >> I'm personally tired of hearing from all of these people who could've
- >: >> gotten college degrees if they wanted to do so. I'd like to know why
- >: >> they didn't and why they seem to hold it against we who did!
- >:
- >: >Lack of money could be a hell of a good reason.
- >:
- >Hiwassee College, a two year school, will not turn anyone away that
- >wants a degree but has a lack of money. They will accept any student
- >and work out a way for that student to go to college. If anyone wants
- >more information about the college, send me E-Mail.
-
- Want some reasons why a few of us gave up on the US Educational system?
- Here's a short list:
-
- How about those of us who are damn tired of "colleges" where an education
- takes a back seat to the whims and desires of some corporate sponsor who
- happens to be in someone's back pocket (or front pocket for that matter)?
-
- How about "educations" which consist of experience on obsolete equipment and
- professors who know less than some of those who they are instructing?
-
- How about "educational institutions" which believe that every student fits
- in a peg-hole and therefore should follow a "precise" course of study --
- even if it is a waste of time as the student in question knows the material?
- How many schools still insist on incoming freshman taking a "BASIC" or "Pascal"
- programming course -- or three? Mine did -- BASIC, Pascal, then FORTRAN --
- yet I was programming >multitasking kernels< in Macro Assembler when in high
- school. My previous experience and knowledge counted for >nothing< in their
- eyes. Flush the tuition for three unnecessary classes down our toilet please;
- that's the price of admission to our program!
-
- How about "educational institutions" which have Deans and department heads
- with the balls to say to a student who is fed up and about to leave (to
- enter business for him/herself) that "you'll never amount to anything"?
- (To one in particular who might be reading this: YOU WERE WRONG.)
-
- How about "educational institutions" more interested in parceling out
- resources on their computer equipment based on class status (ie: declare
- that major and follow our course of study or you can't use current
- technology) than allowing students to >learn<, which is the purpose of an
- education anyway?
-
-
- I gave up "college" many years ago with two years under my belt. I would
- be willing to get a degree today -- but only on my terms. I do not have
- the time or interest in wasting my time on a college with some parochial
- learning program, and even less interest in paying out of my pocket for
- that experience (an experience I have already had and discarded as useless).
-
- If I am about to pay for a course of study, classes and all, it will be one
- which >I< believe will be useful to >me<. Not something that some committee
- designed to fit the 50th percentile of students. Yet this concept is something
- which our educational system, for all its "charm", cannot handle today.
-
- My "lack" of a degree has never hampered my career -- quite to the contrary.
- It is my experience that I, and others like myself, frequently outperform
- those who have their "Piled Higher and deepers"; many of those who I have
- met with a BS or BA in Computer Science could not program their way out of
- a paper bag.
-
- Given the sad state of our educational system, and the graduates it
- produces, I sincerely believe that the majority of those who are talented
- at computer-related work succeed in the marketplace >in spite< of their
- education rather than because of it.
-
- The day that "mandatory" regulation comes, either in the form of
- governmental certification or "industry specification" -- which is almost
- certain to include a degree requirement (if for no other reason than the
- market forces in a college will demand that their "investments" be
- justified) then programming as an art form will be seriously compromised.
-
- --
- Karl Denninger (karl@ddsw1.MCS.COM, <well-connected>!ddsw1!karl)
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