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- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 10:53:35 -0400
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- From: The Integral Differential <DEMON@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU>
- Subject: Re: well, pardon me!
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- >> 11 convictions, but none on "key" people that he has insisted were
- >>involved. Of course Casey died before anything could be done about him.
- Walsh
- >>is 0-for against major political targets like North, Weinberger, Bush, Reagan,
- >>etc.
- >
- >So, in fact, Walsh did NOT "manage to get each and every [guilty party]
- >get off on technicalities or overturned convictions."
- >
- >Walsh did let North wiggle out. But it's not at all obvious that it was
- >his fault. It was hard to know in advance that the courts would rule
- >that North's immunized testimony tainted all of the evidence that Walsh
- >subsequently used.
- >
- >Nor did Walsh lose Weinberger, as Brett says he did. Weinberger had
- >yet to stand trial. Bush pardoned him. Now we'll never know.
-
- The charge of lying to congress was thrown out. That was Walsh's hope
- for getting Weinberger.
-
- >Nor did Walsh lose Bush. Yet. We'll see.
-
- Frankly, I expect Bush to do what Nixon didn't. "Lose" the documents.
-
- >He did let Reagan get away. But, frankly, I'm not sure Reagan was
- >guilty in the first place. Stupid, but maybe not guilty.
-
- Knowing how Reagan's White House worked, I'm sure it was Casey and
- North, with complicity from people like McFarlane. It reeks of the CIA.
-
- >> As Weinberger said, Walsh was throwing his weight around and telling
- >>people that if they cooperated on getting dirt on Reagan, he'd go easy on
- them.
- >This is hard to believe. Brett is now willing to believe Weinberger's
- >totally unsubstantiated accusations?? We know for a fact that Weinberger
- >is quite happy to lie about these matters.
-
- How so? Weinberger is the one who resigned over Iran-Contra, remember.
- He didn't agree with the policy.
-
- >> Walsh is simply grandstanding, trying to get a President indicted.
- >
- >Well, he may be trying to get a president indicted. I think that's
- >a special prosecutor's job. Or was Archie Cox simply grandstanding?
- >
- >("Impeached" is the right word, I think.)
-
- *If* a president is guilty. But I think Walsh just wants to be able to
- say he got "a" president. Bush is the only one left :).
-
- >>>> Like Weinberger, Bush's notes have been available for some time.
- Th
- >>>> persecotor prefers not to acknowladge this and instead acts like there is a
- >>>> "cover up".
- >>>Why has Bush refused to acknowledge until recently that he had the notes?
- >>
- >> Hard to say :). Given Walsh's methods, perhaps he was waiting for a
- >>"please". :D
- >
- >Oooh. Good answer. That's probably it.
- >
- >Note, though, that Bush could have saved a LOT of expense by acknowledging
- >that he had the notes much earlier.
-
- He could have, but is there any reason why Bush should have cooperated
- with a man like Walsh earlier? Walsh is using a shotgun, hoping he hits
- *something* before he runs out of ammo.
-
- >> That's why I said "supposed" to be independent. Any organization
- >>staffed through patronage will end up like this.
- >
- >I agree. And Brett's suggestions about changing the way the Justice
- >Dept. is appointed make some sense to me.
- >
- >Until Mitchell, though, I don't think the Attorney General was
- >widely regarded as a "patronage" appointment. Now it's a commonplace.
- >Jamie
-
- No, it was Reagan's appointments that started the downward slide.
- (Horrors, I've said something bad about the Great One :). Most analysts agree
- that the justice dept. in the 60s was the high point for that organization.
-
- BTW-I'm not saying that the figures in Iran-Contra should be let off
- the hook, just that (like in *any* justice situation), the powers of the
- prosecution should not be unlimited, and there should be specific goals and
- specific charges, instead of a series of "charge them first and then find
- something that sticks".
-
- Brett'
-