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- Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:23:04 EST
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- From: Jamie <PL436000@BROWNVM.BITNET>
- Subject: Re: well, pardon me!
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- >From: The Integral Differential <DEMON@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU>
-
- >>> Walsh is a loon who has wasted $40 million. Yes there are people wh
- >>> are guilty of breaking the law, but Walsh has managed to let each and
- > everyone
- >>> get off on technicalities or overturned convictions. His desire to discredi
- >>> Bush is obvious, and reminds me of a certain Senator named McCarthy.
-
- Ok, I only reproduced that to remind everyone of what Brett actually
- said.
-
- Jonathan then correctly replied:
-
- >>This is incorrect. Walsh has 11 convictions (2 were overturned because of
- >>an overzealous congress). It is conceivable now that Walsh is being
- >>vindictive. But Bush has had these notes since '86, why hasn't he turned
- >>them over before now?
-
- And Brett now says,
-
- > 11 convictions, but none on "key" people that he has insisted were
- >involved. Of course Casey died before anything could be done about him. Walsh
- >is 0-for against major political targets like North, Weinberger, Bush, Reagan,
- >etc.
-
- So, in fact, Walsh did NOT "manage to get each and every [guilty party]
- get off on technicalities or overturned convictions."
-
- Walsh did let North wiggle out. But it's not at all obvious that it was
- his fault. It was hard to know in advance that the courts would rule
- that North's immunized testimony tainted all of the evidence that Walsh
- subsequently used.
-
- Nor did Walsh lose Weinberger, as Brett says he did. Weinberger had
- yet to stand trial. Bush pardoned him. Now we'll never know.
-
- Nor did Walsh lose Bush. Yet. We'll see.
-
- He did let Reagan get away. But, frankly, I'm not sure Reagan was
- guilty in the first place. Stupid, but maybe not guilty.
-
- > As Weinberger said, Walsh was throwing his weight around and telling
- >people that if they cooperated on getting dirt on Reagan, he'd go easy on them.
- This is hard to believe. Brett is now willing to believe Weinberger's
- totally unsubstantiated accusations?? We know for a fact that Weinberger
- is quite happy to lie about these matters.
-
- > Walsh is simply grandstanding, trying to get a President indicted.
-
- Well, he may be trying to get a president indicted. I think that's
- a special prosecutor's job. Or was Archie Cox simply grandstanding?
-
- ("Impeached" is the right word, I think.)
-
- >>> Like Weinberger, Bush's notes have been available for some time. Th
- >>> persecotor prefers not to acknowladge this and instead acts like there is a
- >>> "cover up".
- >>Why has Bush refused to acknowledge until recently that he had the notes?
- >
- > Hard to say :). Given Walsh's methods, perhaps he was waiting for a
- >"please". :D
-
- Oooh. Good answer. That's probably it.
-
- Note, though, that Bush could have saved a LOT of expense by acknowledging
- that he had the notes much earlier.
-
- > That's why I said "supposed" to be independent. Any organization
- >staffed through patronage will end up like this.
-
- I agree. And Brett's suggestions about changing the way the Justice
- Dept. is appointed make some sense to me.
-
- Until Mitchell, though, I don't think the Attorney General was
- widely regarded as a "patronage" appointment. Now it's a commonplace.
-
- Jamie
-