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- Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:16:27 -0400
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- From: The Integral Differential <DEMON@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU>
- Subject: Re: well, pardon me!
- Comments: To: POLITICS@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU
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- >> >rattling against Serbia, and, in a striking Iran-Contra development,
- pardoned
- >> >six officials, including Caspar Weinberger, Alan Fiers, and Clair George.
- >>
- >> Weinberger's I agree with. THe major charge against him was thrown
- >> out, and all the persecutor--err--prosecutor had left was vindictiveness
- >> against Bush.
- >> Walsh is a loon who has wasted $40 million. Yes there are people who
- >> are guilty of breaking the law, but Walsh has managed to let each and
- everyone
- >> get off on technicalities or overturned convictions. His desire to discredit
- >> Bush is obvious, and reminds me of a certain Senator named McCarthy.
- >This is incorrect. Walsh has 11 convictions (2 were overturned because of
- >an overzealous congress). It is conceivable now that Walsh is being
- >vindictive. But Bush has had these notes since '86, why hasn't he turned
- >them over before now?
-
- 11 convictions, but none on "key" people that he has insisted were
- involved. Of course Casey died before anything could be done about him. Walsh
- is 0-for against major political targets like North, Weinberger, Bush, Reagan,
- etc.
- As Weinberger said, Walsh was throwing his weight around and telling
- people that if they cooperated on getting dirt on Reagan, he'd go easy on them.
- Walsh is simply grandstanding, trying to get a President indicted.
-
- >>...
- >> Like Weinberger, Bush's notes have been available for some time. The
- >> persecotor prefers not to acknowladge this and instead acts like there is a
- >> "cover up".
- >Why has Bush refused to acknowledge until recently that he had the notes?
-
- Hard to say :). Given Walsh's methods, perhaps he was waiting for a
- "please". :D
-
- >> Perhaps he could explain how something he has been investigating for
- N
- >> years can be "covered up"?
- >By classifying documents that don't need to be classified and therefore can't
- >be used in a criminal trial.
-
- Walsh can still get ahold of them. And classified documents can still
- be used in a trial. The judge reviews the documents in private.
-
- >>...
- >The justice department is obviously not independent. The top people
- >are appointed by the president and can investigate what they want.
-
- 1) Make the terms cross presidential boundries
- 2) Limit the terms served to one or two
- 3) Apportion the appointments so that one president won't be able to
- appoint all the top positions (barring deaths). Of course two term presidents
- and a string of one-party victories will hedge that somewhat.
-
- >Let's use as an example Iraq-gate (can't someone come up with a better
- >name?). A Federal judge has stated that he feels that this situation is
- >ripe with cover-ups, including the justice department, but Barr
- >appointed someone who was not independent and **surprise** he came back
- >and said that there was no need for an independent prosecutor! As a
- >side note, I would point to William Safire's (not one that one would
- >call a 'liberal'!) articles on this, where he noted that the dependent
- >prosecutor that Barr appointed was not his first choice. Barr's first
- >choice felt pressured by Barr to return with the result that Barr
- >wanted. He refused and Barr appointed someone more mallable.
- >
- >Jonathan
-
- That's why I said "supposed" to be independent. Any organization
- staffed through patronage will end up like this.
-
- Brett'
-