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- From: madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann)
- Newsgroups: ba.politics
- Subject: Re: More Child Molestors for Christ
- Message-ID: <1992Dec23.084723.11607@netcom.com>
- Date: 23 Dec 92 08:47:23 GMT
- References: <1992Dec22.060522.8489@netcom.com> <1992Dec22.213424.1087@netcom.com> <1992Dec23.062637.14949@netcom.com>
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- phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes: >
- madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) writes: > >
- phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes: > >>
-
- > >>Packwood, the boobhead, is initially charge by women with
- > >>incidents that were all MORE than 10 years old. And what has
- > >>he done so far? Well, a lot of pinching and some fondling.
- > >>And the screams for his head mount, most politically
- > >>motivated.
- > >>
- > >Phil, unless you learn to get your facts straight, do not get
- > >into an argument with me. The person you are thinking of is
- > >not Packwood but Inouye. The Packwood charges stem over 15
- > >years and some are recent. Inouye is a Democrat, the charges
- > >are 10 years old, and there is only one accuser. There are
- > >now 15 Packwood accusers. Perhaps this is why they're not
- > >going after Inouye's head. I don't know. But do not confuse
- > >the two. You are prone to mix up facts and I will not let you
- > >get away with it.
- >
- >Gee, Maddi, why don't you learn to read? See that first word "initially"?
- >Know what that means? Think about it, I know you can.
-
- Gee, Phil, why don't you learn to read your own posts? See those
- words "incident*s* that were *all* MORE than 10 years old"?
- Not the first "initial" incident, Phil. Incidents, plural. And
- they are not *ALL* more than ten years old.
-
- I won't be taken in by any of your tricks. You lie. You change
- the subject. You engage in the logical fallacies of ad hominem
- attack, red herring, straw man, slippery slope, hasty generaliization,
- and a number of others, and I intend to call you on them. Your
- posts are full of misstatements, and you think you can get away
- with it because most people have put you in their kill file.
-
- I notice you had nothing to say about my asking for attribution
- on your claim that r.h.f. had a "PC stamp" to it. That was a
- direct question, from me to you, and you ignored it. This
- wasn't a case of your dropping in on a post and commenting on
- one item, as I did. So, you avoid tough questions, too. You're
- a regular rhetorical giant.
-
- >Packwood's initial accusation was made almost 2 years ago, over an incident
- >that happened 9 year previous to that accusation. After the election, the
- >initial accusations (there were more than one) were trumpeted in "the hope
- >that more women would [find the courage] to step forward". And they did.
- >First ten, then 15.
- >
- >And as you point out, Inouye, a Democrat, doesn't seem to have his
- >scalp in danger. His accusation (assumed to be the first) was from
- >Senator-elect Carol Mosley Braun, who [decision] to spur a political
- >career was reportedkly outrage over Anita Hill's "mistreatment".
-
- More Ronzone misstatements. Inouye's accuser is not Braun, but his
- barber. Braun was not the only woman to seek the Senate because of
- Hill, so the remainder of your statement is more misdirection on
- your part.
-
- >Thge key issue remains -- why NOW, why Republican mainly? These issues
- >are a decade or more old in these cases. This has NO suggestion of a witch
- >hunt?
-
- What key issue? It's only an issue for you, Phil, since all you
- can see are Deomcrats' conspiracies. I note you still accuse me
- of being a PC-nik despite my comments that I want all harassers
- punished. What's the matter? Don't like it when I don't fit into
- your little theory of what you think I believe? I suggest you
- change your theory, because it's wrong.
-
- > >>I mean, WHY hasn't NOW gone after Ted Kennedy? Or Clinton for
- > >>Flowers?
- > >>
- > >Because Clinton was never accused of harassing Flowers?
- >
- >Oh, then NOW approves of a political official getting a State job for
- >his mistress? I must be in error again, I thought NOW was against that
- >sort of stuff.
-
- The issue I was addessing was sexual harassment. Stop changing the
- subject.
-
- >Of course, if it had been Bush, we would have no doubt been deafened by now
- >by the howls of outrage ...
-
- Assertion without proof, coupled with argumentum ad hominem.
-
- >--
- >I believe Gennifer Flowers.
-
- No you don't. You just like it when Democrats look bad.
-
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