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- From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (x4604 (Hauskins))
- Newsgroups: ba.politics
- Subject: Re: More Child Molestors for Christ
- Date: 22 Dec 1992 19:18:32 GMT
- Organization: Santa Cruz
- Lines: 95
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- References: <1992Dec21.214821.2250@netcom.com> <105448@bu.edu> <1992Dec22.055306.7609@netcom.com>
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- In article <1992Dec22.055306.7609@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
- >In article <105448@bu.edu> kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:
- > >>C. The anus is not designed for sexual intercourse.
- > >>
- > >How so? (Hint, I'm humoring you---this argumment has been
- > >trotted out many times by pinheads on alt.sex) Does sexual
- > >intercourse have only one purpose?
- >
- >Whooosh -- right over your head Brian. That's the whole point. For example,
- >it is biologically built into us to fear and be wary of heights. They've
- >shown this in babies barely old enough to crawl.
- >
-
- I would like to see you document this study or studies, and therefore at
- least give some credibility to this statement. You are saying that the
- fear of heights is built-in biologically?? Or is it that we simply have
- an awareness of distances??? There may be 'no fear' involved at all. Besides
- it would be very difficult, at best, to prove that an infant has a fear
- of heights.
-
- > >>I don't ask YOU why you are homosexual. I don't ask you why
- > >>you are "fucking the wrong sex"
- > >>
- > >Your implications of my hypocrisy would be believable were I
- > >actually asking why YOU are heterosexual, etc.
- > >
- > >You just don't understand. You think your prejudices are not
- > >to be questioned.
- >
- >What abigot. O.K. Brian, why are you so irrational against having
- >hetereosexual sex? Huh, why? We evolved, and indeed can only propagate
- >by sexual intercourse of the two sexes? Why do persist in performing
- >irrational acts? Why, huh, why?
-
- This is incorrect. We can propogate by artifical insemination. We inject
- sperm into a willingly subject, therefore causing impregnation. There is
- no need for "sexual intercourse" to produce offspring.
-
- And where is it that Brian is perfroming irrational acts?
-
- >
- >That's the difference between us -- you want to be the way you are, and
- >yet get all upset when some people don't like the way you are and want to
- >have coercive laws to "force" their acceptance.
-
- You have left out that their are people who want to generate coercive
- laws to stop what gay people want to be. Why? Becuase they are irrational?
- Because they are stupid? You are against religion yes/no? Isn't religion
- the main culprit behind the attitudes of anti-gay sentiment?
-
- >
- >I want to be the way that I want to be, and realize that the "price" is that
- >other people have the freedom to like or not like it, and that they can take
- >action appropriately.
- >
- >They have as much right to be subjective in their life as I do mine.
- >
- >But I don't try to use force to "change" their minds.
- >
-
- Of course you use 'force' to try and change someone else's beliefs,
- it is evident even in this message. You think that all force is
- some type of physical leveraging, it is not. To call people names
- or attempt to bring about a change in their thinking is a type of
- force, or coercion. If I hold onto a mental concept and you come
- all and attack it, in ways that are insulting or degrading, you are
- essentially trying to apply a mental force to me to break or change
- my concept or you are trying to cause others to align with your
- way of thinking. In the end it is a type of coercive activity, that
- is how ideological movements are started, by mental coerciveness.
-
- >You state "I just don't want said landlord to believe that his
- >irrational prejudices will go unchallenged via constant discourse.".
- >
- >That about sums it up -- you want to use force to change men's minds.
-
- What??? I see nothing about coercive activity in Brian's statement, he
- has said that he wants landlords to be aware that their irrational
- prejudices will not go without notice via 'discourse' i.e. discussion.
-
- >
- >Bloody fascist. Just change you name to Roehm the secodn and have done with it.
- >
- >Intolerant scum -- just can't stand that people don't beleive the way you
- >want them to, eh?
- >
-
- Yes back to old name calling stuff, eh??? That is why people don't take
- you very seriously, these types of 'attacks' are not rational and therefore
- have no place in mental discourse that aims to bring about compromise or
- settlement of issues.
-
- It will be grand day when you can leave behind the name calling part
- of your discussions and actually move into the arena of intelligent
- discourse.
-