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- From: jhb@maths.su.oz.au (John Brownie)
- Subject: Re: Interpretation of Scripture
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- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 05:56:52 GMT
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- ricko@ee.uts.edu.au (Rick Jelliffe) writes:
-
- >My reasoning is this: theology is knowledge of God. Someone who truly
- >knows God is a Saint, because of the transforming power of the knowledge
- >and encounter with God. So Saints are to be defered to in matters of
- >theology: the intuition of a Saint is more credible than the intuition of
- >a scholar because of the special nature of theology: its Subject is
- >personal and responds to the enquirer uniquely and dynamically. Of course,
- >a Saint who is also a scholar (e.g. St Thomas Aquinas) is doubly good.
- >Thus theology has a fundamentally mystical side, which outside of the
- >methodology of science, though more real (in that God is the ground of all
- >being).
-
- How do you know if someone is a Saint? From what I read of the Roman
- Catholic Church, it is most usual for someone to be declared a saint a
- long time after their death. Does this mean, then, that it is almost
- impossible to trust modern scholarship, because we don't know who the
- saints are :-)?
-
- I agree wholeheartedly that theology is more than an academic pursuit.
- However, I don't go along with your conclusion, that "the intuition of a
- Saint is more credible than the intuition of a scholar". You seem to say
- that scholarship is intuition. I presume you don't really mean that. I
- have known some very godly people in my time, who have held some extremely
- strange views about some parts of the Bible. Careful study of the text is
- what everyone should be aiming for, as well as godliness. The one without
- the other can be misleading.
-
- >While I agree with Erasmus that purity of original text can clear up
- >many doctrinal problems, and that knowledge of the original words
- >and culture helps greatly, nevertheless, ultimately the Bible is
- >interesting to the Christian because of the theological encounters possible
- >through it. This encounter is collective within the organic church (Tradition)
- >as well as personal, but you seem to want it to be synthetic too:
- >based on the disciplined methodologies of science.
-
- Why not? What is wrong with using a disciplined methodology? Perhaps
- science is not the correct model, for we are in the realms of literature,
- history, and theology. However, reading the text carefully is an
- essential for understanding it correctly.
-
- >I wasn't intending on degrading biblical textual criticisms, and I certainly
- >phrased my posting so that it wouldn't be any insult to Dr Thiering.
- >What I was trying to say is that there is no reason why organising
- >facts in new ways (i.e.biblical criticism), even though those ways
- >may be completely internally consistant, should provide any necessarily
- >theologically true results where this is done outside the framework of
- >real theology, which is done on our knees.
-
- An interesting definition of biblical criticism! I don't think that the
- test of a theory of biblical criticism is that it be internally
- consistent. That is part of it, but it must also match with reality
- (which, incidentally, is one of the big problems with Barbara Thiering's
- work). I would also suggest that it is possible to get some theologically
- true things from Scripture from an atheistic perspective. When it comes
- to understanding a text, anyone who is prepared to do the necessary work
- can make a reasonable attempt at understanding it. Some texts are more
- difficult than others, which is where the help of commentators is
- invaluable. Of course, when you expect God to speak to you through his
- word, then that does make a difference.
-
- I haven't expressed that terribly well, but I can't spare the time to make
- it more lucid. Undoubtedly, someone will point out where the problems
- are, and I will try to clarify them.
- --
- John Brownie
- School of Mathematics and Statistics | Wycliffe Bible Translators
- University of Sydney NSW 2006 | Graham Rd
- Internet: jhb@maths.su.oz.au | Kangaroo Ground Vic 3097 AUSTRALIA
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