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- From: dfox@quack.sac.ca.us (David Fox)
- Subject: Re: unix tutorial et al.
- Message-ID: <fWzVsSU@quack.sac.ca.us>
- Keywords: tutorial, dos, ibm-compatible, unix, lost-in-space
- Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.
- References: <1992Dec7.041726.11994@seas.gwu.edu>
- Date: 14 Dec 1992 04:42:22 UTC
- Lines: 76
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- In article <1992Dec7.041726.11994@seas.gwu.edu> salomon@seas.gwu.edu (A. Lee Salomon) writes:
- >i am a unix newbie who will be living with nothing but ibm-compatibles
- >running dos for the next couple of weeks. i would like to continue
- >learning unix (am a unix Newbie -- note the cap N!) and ran across an ad
- >for MKS Learning Unix on DOS. i am tempted to buy it but would like some
- >other opinions first. could anyone tell me anything about it? are there
- >other such programs out there?
-
- I don't know what the 'MKS Learning Unix on DOS' is. If it's the MKS
- toolkit, that appears to be very good. It's essentially a ton of Unix
- programs ported to DOS - they've gone to great lengths to make this
- look as much like unix as is possible given the obvious restrictions
- that DOS has.
-
-
- >actually, since i am here, another question (please no flames, i am
- >*really* ignorant about unix and am studying as fast as i can!), can
- >i run unix on a pc? (actually, i believe i can, but is a 386 or 486
- >recommended?
-
- You can run Unix on a PC. I do (386BSD). I think a 386 or 486 is
- not only recommended; it's required, if you want to do real work.
-
- Jump over to comp.os.linux and/or comp.unix.bsd. There you will
- learn about two very nice FREE unixes for a 386-based ISA PC.
- You can even get the source code.
-
- >what are the (AARGH! vi is driving me batty!)e
- >advantages of unix over dos? (i run simple stuff like your standard
- >spreadsheets, wordprocessors, relational database, symbolic math, desk-
- >top publishing, maybe some statistical/number crunching stuff from time
-
- A lot of that (if not all of that) can be done under Unix. The advantages
- as I see them is that you aren't limited to a 640K barrier (you can use
- all the memory in your machine), you have multi-user and multi-tasking, and
- much of the stuff in Unix is free and comes in source code form. There
- really isn't the mindset (as exists in DOS) of 'you don't want the source
- code, since it's a PC running DOS, and if you obtain the source, you'll
- get sued'. It's a much more open environment.
-
- Just this past week, (I wanted a spreadsheet) I got source code for three
- different Unix spreadsheet programs, and compiled them. I chose one that
- I liked the best (and it was easier to compile/install), but put the
- rest on a floppy in case I wanted to look at them later.
-
- >to time, but never anything really big) what about for a small lan (10
- >people, say, accessing mostly wp, spreadsheets, and database). what about
- >if e-mail is added to the lot? and finally, what about for accessing the
- >internet?
-
- This is an area where Unix really shines. Since networking is built in
- (in 386bsd and it's being worked on in Linux; many commercial unixes also
- have it), and since it's multi-user, setting up a network may be as easy
- as hooking up a couple of terminals to a central machine with a multi-port
- com card. No network cards to buy, no big expense, and most of all, no
- multiple-user license agreements. Because of the multi-user nature of Unix,
- it has a permission scheme, which can effectively section work of one of
- your users from someone else.
-
- Email is built-in to Unix as well. IMHO, it's very nice and clean.
-
- I haven't yet directly accessed the internet via my 386BSD box, but I
- have gotten UUCP to mostly work. I can also mail to remote sites - I'm
- still working on that, but it generally works. There are DOS packages
- that do UUCP, but they have a major disadvantage - they take over the
- whole machine, since DOS is a single-tasking OS. Under Unix, the
- uucp stuff could be running all the time in the background while you
- do other work, and you don't notice it. (It's a nice way to keep all
- those damned telemarketers off your phone.) :)
-
- >please mail me at salomon@seas.gwu.edu (in case my sig file doesnt attach, which it hasnt been recently....)
- --
- David Fox
- dfox@quack.sac.ca.us
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