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- From: keld@login.dkuug.dk (Keld J|rn Simonsen)
- Subject: Re: ISO Latin 1 text presentation with 7-bit ASCII
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- References: <1992Dec5.022024.15112@athena.mit.edu> <BysKJt.KwJ@ra.nrl.navy.mil> <keld.723675587@login.dkuug.dk> <Byv1J8.C9s@ra.nrl.navy.mil>
- Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:42:39 GMT
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- atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Randall Atkinson) writes:
-
- >In article <keld.723675587@login.dkuug.dk> keld@login.dkuug.dk (Keld J|rn Simonsen) writes:
-
-
- >>The support for Eastern Europe is at the same level as the Western
- >>Europe support.
-
- > People from Eastern Europe that I know that have seen and commented
- >on your work have all indicated that the encodings for some characters
- >in Eastern European languages were not at all mnemonic and all along
- >for over a year you have cited its alleged "mnemonic" nature as the
- >chief value of your work. Others have also observed that the
- >encodings for other languages, such as Japanese, were not very useful
- >or mnemonic. You have been aware of this for some long time now. The
- >IETF-822 archives bear this out.
-
- I am amused by your way of reasoning.
- I just mentioned the Easter Europe, and you talk on Japanese.
- I have not heard of any Eastern Europe criticism, I have
- on the other hand quite positive remarks from Hungarians.
- I would like to see the comments, if you have any - could
- you send me a copy - maybe by private mail?
-
- I was referring the Latin script support for Eastern Europe,
- not Cyrillic. Anyway the Russians seem quite content with the
- Cyrillic support, but this support is of cause different from
- Latin support, where you are able in most cases to have the
- base latin letter in ASCII.
-
- > In the MIME working group, you had very much less credibility at the
- >end when the MIME rfc was published than at the start -- directly
- >because of your repeated blatant misrepresentations of facts.
-
- Well, I think it was your credibility that diminished thru
- the discussions. You continued to write articles with request that
- had no technical content or constructive proposals, and
- misrepresentations of facts on my work. The IETF archives
- shows this very clearly.
-
- > You explicitly tried to get YOUR rfc approved as a Standards Track
- >RFC. This is what I stated earlier and this is fully confirmed by the
- >IETF-822 archives. The IESG clearly decided that your work was not
- >suitable for the standards track.
-
- This was because it was of informational nature.
- I just followed the advise of the WG chair and the WG on this.
-
- > The IESG also rejected your secondary attempt to make your work
- >appear to be "standard" when it is not by getting the MIME document to
- >cite it. This was also rejected on the grounds that it was not
- >standards material and because the reference was unneeded and because
- >of very widespread concerns about whether anyone could determine if
- >your tables were accurate and because of IESG administrative reasons.
- >I have email from IESG members that bears this out. Much or all of
- >this is also in the IETF-822 archives directly. You already have
- >known this for some time.
-
- Well, actually I do not know why it was rejected in the end.
- EUnet appealed to get mnemonic included in the mandatory
- set of supported character sets in MIME - as it was decided by the
- working group.
- I had communications with IETF officials, but no official
- decisions on the appeal from them. If you have further info
- I would certainly like to see it.
-
- Keld
-