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- From: frank@rover.uchicago.edu (Frank - Hardware Hacker - Borger)
- Subject: Re: EXECUTION of DECUS Standards
- Message-ID: <17DEC199214022742@rover.uchicago.edu>
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- Organization: Joint Center for Radiation Therapy
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- Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:02:00 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec17.082309@mccall.com>, tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot) writes...
- >
- >In article <16DEC199216495941@rover.uchicago.edu>, frank@rover.uchicago.edu
- >>>Another idea would be to dump DCS and put the
- >>>leadership onto DECUServe with the rabble. That would do some good, in
- >>>>addition to maybe saving some money, though I don't know enough about that
- >>>>setup to know if there would be any real savings to that.
- >> Would you really like to see 10 or 20 mail messages a day from the
- >> small SIGS, more from the big ones, all posted to DECUServe? DCS
- >> provides targeted messaging, via mail lists. RUN DECUS using DECUServe
- >> urk, choke, ghasp.
- >
- >Yup. Put all those mailing lists into public conferences and/or newsgroups.
- >(Mailing lists are a lousy vehicle for conferencing anyway.)
-
- Agreed. That is why Notes was added to DCS. But conversely, a notes
- or net type of conference or newsgroup is a lousy for targeted
- communication. For that, you need electronic mail and mailing lists.
-
- If I had to read every communication coming out of DECUS to decide
- if it applied to me or not, any type of leadership functioning on
- my part would cease forthwith.
-
- Do you really want to pour through all the messages that tell you
- deadline for the store representatives for submission of articles
- to sell at spring DECUS will be such and such a date?????
-
- Agreed, there are some problems with openness. When we set up the
- Newsletter conference on DCS, it was agreed that it was open to all.
- We hoped we could get feedback from users, we wanted that to be the
- place where the back-porch type of discussion was held, (versus the
- stereotypical smoke filled room.) Regretably, not all conferences
- that should be open are.
-
- >And, the traffic
- >comes pre-sorted by topic (conference/newsgroup) rather than just dumped into a
- >mailbox in chronological order.
-
- Only if you have enough topics. If you look at the net conferences,
- you rarely find one actually sorted. Let's see now, I would need alt.
- decus.newsletters.L&T, alt.decus.newsletters.DAARC, alt.decus.news-
- letters.finance, ... sure guys.
-
- >Again, I'm not picking on individuals, just the system. DECUS does itself and
- >its members a disservice simply by the way it does business. DECUServe and the
- >net are great tools for communication, but neither is used to facilitate the
- >running of DECUS, (even though one is a service provided by DECUS!). Granted,
- >these tools haven't always existed, but they do now and should be used
- >(especially now that the vehicle for written communication has vanished).
-
- Ok, lets try to summarize. (I just checked, you don't have DCS access,
- so you really are not active in DECUS day to day running. What I feel
- is:
-
- DCS works well for messaging concerning day to day operations of DECUS,
- where I have specific information that must go quickly to a key person
- or a few people. example: Many messages go back and forth between a
- few people charged with coming up with a commercialism policy pertinent
- to th newsletters in particular.
-
- Notes/etc works best for taking that commercialism policy you have just
- sweated out and submitting it to the general populace to get their
- reactions. (Hopefully you will get constructive criticism, in truth,
- you will typically end up with few responses.)
-
- The trick is to balance proper use of DCS versus notes so that I am
- properly informed and told of major changes that will take place,
- without being snowed under by the sheer volume of messages that
- go flying by.
-
- Frank R. Borger - Physicist __ Internet: Frank@rover.uchicago.edu
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