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- From: gavron@spades.aces.com (Ehud Gavron 602-570-2000 x. 2546)
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- Subject: Re: EXECUTION of DECUS Standards
- Message-ID: <17DEC199211123143@spades.aces.com>
- Date: 17 Dec 92 18:12:00 GMT
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- In article <16DEC199215294682@carat.arizona.edu>, jms@Arizona.EDU
- tells it JUST like it is:
-
- #In article <1992Dec15.143628.4673@spcvxb.spc.edu>, killeen@spcvxb.spc.edu
- #(Jeff Killeen) drones and then finally concludes...
- #
- #>Does it happen - no not really mainly because the
- #>1000 or so leaders really aren't that far out of the main stream with the
- #>10,000 or so active members...
-
- Joel explains to him:
-
- #
- #Au contraire, my good MC representative, responsible for supporting my
- #interests as a LUG member and speaker. In fact, the highest levels of
- #DECUS leadership are strongly at odds with the consumers of DECUS products.
- #
- #Pay attention and you'll begin to figure it out:
- ..
- #
- #Now, you can argue that spending a week in Las Vegas playing backroom
- #politics is a good experience. It prepares you for the vigors of real
- #business, and trains you in the art of backstabbing, compromise, meeting,
- #and consensus. However: this is not why the "10,000 or so active" members
- #come to the event.
- ..
- #There are many leaders, myself included, who would be happy to take a
- #greater role in DECUS products---if doing so didn't require sitting on MC.
- #The MC has so far forgotten what the goal of the society is that they
- #deliberately interrupt the REAL activities of the week for their own
- #business. Witness the way a seminar speaker was pulled out of a
- #seminar---filled with PAYING ATTENDEES WHO WERE INTERESTED IN WHAT HE HAD
- #TO SAY---so that the MC could grill him in person. Or the way a chair was
- #forced to spend an entire afternoon in MC meetings, fighting backroom,
- #secret politics---while the sessions he was supposed to give fell to
- #unprepared pinch-hitters during that time. Sure, the PAYING ATTENDEES lost
- #out on an experience, but how could the MC relate to that?
- #
- #Sure, MC could do all of their meeting after 5PM. But why bother? No one
- #in MC is missing that many sessions, and after 5PM is when all of the
- #DECUS-funded suites and dinners begin to start.
-
- Well said, Joel. The Management Council has successfully
- demonstrated their ability to represent their own self-
- interests and an ability to voraciously spend money. Nothing
- else.
-
- #Jeff, here's a challenge: "survey" the MC (after all, research is the new
- #methodology) and get a list of sessions they attended. Or gave. Then,
- #let's see who's out of touch with whom.
-
- Joel, again you hit the nail right on the head. If you're
- ever around my neck of the woods, let me buy you a drink!
-
- #Joel M Snyder, 1103 E Spring Street, Tucson, AZ, 85719
- #Phone: 602.882.4094 (voice) .4095 (FAX) .4093 (data)
- #BITNET: jms@Arizona Internet: jms@arizona.edu SPAN: 47541::telcom::jms
- #Yow! I'm imagining a surfer van filled with soy sauce!
-
- Ehud
-
- --
- Ehud Gavron (EG76)
- gavron@vesta.sunquest.com
- PARDON me, am I speaking ENGLISH?
-