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- From: arthur@ais.com
- Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
- Subject: Re: EXECUTION of DECUS Standards
- Message-ID: <1992Dec16.083736.5901@ais.com>
- Date: 16 Dec 92 08:37:36 GMT
- References: <1992Dec2.143046.1@mscf.med.upenn.edu> <lhupaoINN978@lisboa.cs.utexas.edu> <1992Dec14.151045@mccall.com> <1992Dec15.143628.4673@spcvxb.spc.edu>
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- Organization: Applied Information Systems, Chapel Hill, NC
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- In article <1992Dec15.143628.4673@spcvxb.spc.edu>, killeen@spcvxb.spc.edu (Jeff Killeen) writes:
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- >
- > Terry most of upper level DECUS leadership has become very interested in input
- > from the customer. In fact we have some very solid organized research efforts
- > going on right now. However if we are going to be honest most of the postings
- > on this subject have been from DECUS Leaders/insiders trying to incite a riot
- > to reverse a decision they did not agree with. Very little has been heard
- > from the membership/customer. Prior to yours - the one membership type
- > posting was so vitriolic, so full of obscenities, and so much a general knee
- > jerk attack that did not relate to the issue at hand IMHO I am surprised
- > anyone responded to it.
- As one who responded earlier on this meeting, I take offense. I do not
- consider myself an insider (yes I helped activate the RTP LUG many, many years
- ago, but have not been in any kind of "leadership" role in about ten years),
- and my response contained no obscenities, and was not knee jerk. It did
- represent considerable frustration with the situation and the process.
-
- Much of my frustration is centered around the fact that DECUS grew in a way
- very much similar to how DEC did. It went from being very much a grass roots
- effort with local and/or technical focus to something more centralized, less
- responsive, and more bureaucratic. That may partly just reflect how the
- industry and DEC changed during the corresponding period. Now the industry is
- changing rapidly, often becoming more like it used to be. DECUS is faced with
- that same mandate.
-
- While I consider myself an active member of DECUS, I don't attend every
- symposium like I did for a while, now only one every couple of years. I also
- partcipate in the Unisys and HP user groups and that gives me a little
- different perspective. My organization does attend the national symposia more
- regularly than I do.
-
- Maybe the thing most disturbing about this entire discussion is how obvious it
- is how great the chasm is between DECUS leadership and the general membership.
- Nearly every posting by someone from the leadership side reinforces that view.
-
- [more stuff deleted]
- > --
- > Jeff Killeen - DECUS U.S. Chapter NLC Chair | Email:killeen@eisner.decus.org
- >
- > DECUS is for folks who are responsible for delivering computing technology.
- > The NLC is the national council for DECUS's Local User Groups - come join us!
-
- Arthur Coston
- Applied Information Systems
- arthur@ais.com
-