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- From: jms@carat.arizona.edu (A virtually vegetal non-entity)
- Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
- Subject: Re: EXECUTION of DECUS Standards
- Message-ID: <16DEC199215040710@carat.arizona.edu>
- Date: 16 Dec 92 22:04:00 GMT
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- I just wanted to point out some errors in Lester's note of 15-Dec:
-
- In article <1992Dec15.192557.13119@cpu.com>, gwlester@cpu.com writes...
- >In article <1992Dec14.151045@mccall.com>, tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot) writes:
- >>
- >>It should perhaps be made clear to the membership that they only get to vote on
- >>the membership of the BOD. Other representative units of DECUS are elected
- >>solely by the leadership.
- >
- > It might avoid some confusion, but the statement is **WRONG**!!
- >At least the L&T and 3P SIG chairs are elected by the general membership at
- >their respective Open SIG Steering Committe meetings members (not restricted
- >to leaders) present.
-
- Nonsense. An election has to have some basic elements to make it other
- than a fraud. This would include pre-notification (i.e., "there is going
- to be an election") and open voting at least. Having an election which
- no one knows about and only people who happen to be at a particularly
- uninteresting meeting at a national Symposium is NOT an election. It's a
- farce. Now, if there were pre-announcement, nominations, campaigning,
- and an ability to absentee-ballot, that would be different.
-
- Gerald: face it. Terry is right, and you're wrong. No amount of
- nit-picking (as I'm sure will continue in this conference) is going to
- change the facts: the leadership is a small number of people in a society
- which cannot even decide what it means to be a member. Decisions are made
- by the leadership, not by the as-yet-undefined members of the society.
-
- You can make a value judgement about whether that's good or bad, but the
- point is it's true. And asking Terry to become an active leader just to
- express his opinion is complete nonsense.
-
-
- > You are very much a minority. The news letter subscription was about
- >2% of the membership and a good number of subscribers had/have either or both
- >DECUServe or DCS accounts.
-
- 2%? Where did you get that number? If we figure that the membership is
- composed of the entire DECUSCOPE mailing list, put it back at 15%. Which
- doesn't count pass-alongs. But does include about 20,000 people who are on
- the mailing list but have no current (or probably even past) interest in
- DECUS.
-
- jms
-
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