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- From: holmes@garnet.idbsu.edu (Randall Holmes)
- Subject: Re: FREE WILL 3: Observability (was Re: FREE WILL 2)
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- Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:11:39 GMT
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- In article <spurrett.58.722363888@superbowl.und.ac.za> spurrett@superbowl.und.ac.za (David Spurrett) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov18.202733.32173@mp.cs.niu.edu> rickert@mp.cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert) writes:
- >>From: rickert@mp.cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert)
- >>Subject: Re: FREE WILL 3: Observability (was Re: FREE WILL 2)
- >>Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:27:33 GMT
- >>In article <spurrett.49.722073557@superbowl.und.ac.za> spurrett@superbowl.und.ac.za (David Spurrett) writes:
- >>
- >>> Looking directly at the issue of `what difference' it would make for
- >>>an act to be caused by an agent, and to be random, the most obvious
- >>>point is that the two would not be the same in the consciousness of
- >>>the agent.
- >>
- >>You might indeed be aware whether an event is random rather than a result
- >>of free will. But it may not be possible to be aware of whether an
- >>event has some external cause rather than being a result of free
- will.
-
- The alternative to "free will" (in the acausal sense) is not
- always an external cause; it is much more likely to be an internal
- cause or a mixture of internal and external causes.
-
- >------------->
- >Why? I can tell the difference between a chosen act and a reflex one, for
- >example, with reasonable skill. (You do not make clear what you mean by an `
- >external' cause, so a reflex may be a poor example. As an alternative, I
- >can tell the difference between a _trained_ reaction (I fence
- >competetively) and a reasoned one.)
- >
- >
- >>> (Just as deliberately kicking my dog is different from
- >>>kicking it when somebody taps my knee with a little rubber hammer.)
- >>>If I _am_ the cause then I would probably know it. Unconscious mo-
- >>
- >>But in the question of an external cause, rather than free will, you
- >>must consider that the external cause which resulted in your kicking
- >>the dog would also have resulted in your believing that it was deliberate
- >>act for which you were personally responsible.
-
- The cause is put in the wrong place; it is internal, at least in part.
-
- >------------->
- >Why would it have done that? What is the relationship between external
- >causes and beliefs?
- >
- >o------------------------------------------o------------------------------o
- >| David Spurrett, Department of Philosophy | `I have seen the truth, and |
- >| University of Natal, Durban | it makes no sense.' |
- >| email: spurrett@superbowl.und.ac.za | - OFFICIAL! |
- >o------------------------------------------o------------------------------o
-
-
- --
- The opinions expressed | --Sincerely,
- above are not the "official" | M. Randall Holmes
- opinions of any person | Math. Dept., Boise State Univ.
- or institution. | holmes@opal.idbsu.edu
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