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- From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)
- Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
- Subject: Re: A Strand of Bigotry
- Message-ID: <13374@optilink.COM>
- Date: 23 Nov 92 22:15:10 GMT
- References: <1992Nov17.210333.2428@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <1992Nov20.170316.17817@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
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- In article <1992Nov20.170316.17817@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) writes:
- > In article <13302@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
- > #You mean like there is disagreement about whether two adults
- > #having sex in their bedroom is a "private" action?
- >
- > Who claims it isn't private? The conservatives banning it admit it is
- > private, but wish to ban it anyway.
-
- They do? The argument usually advanced by conservatives to justify
- those sort of laws is that the existence of this behavior, in addition
- to be a threat to public health (conventional STDs, AIDS), has a
- "corrosive" effect on public decency. I find this argument laughable,
- but they make the same claim that YOU do -- that "no man is an
- island" and everything we do in private eventually has some impact
- (even remotely) on the society as a whole.
-
- > #No absolute rights? Does that mean that if the government decides
- > #that homosexual sex is a threat to public safety, it can ban it?
- >
- > That is not what I mean. My right to swing my fists end at your nose.
-
- Complete agreement. But you choose to define private discrimination
- as a fist hitting someone's nose, in much the same way that conservatives
- define AIDS and other STDs as a societal cost that we are all stuck
- with, therefore there is a legitimate basis for government regulating
- private sexual behavior. It's clear that someone punching you in
- the nose is a violation of someone's rights. Your arguments for
- prohibiting private discrimination are just as specious (or just as
- reasonable) as the arguments that conservatives use to justify
- prohibiting adultery, cohabitation, promiscuity, sodomy, etc.
-
- > -Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia
- --
- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine!
- We could say that Congress spends money like drunken sailors. But that would
- be unfair -- to the sailors. They, at least, are spending their own money.
-