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- From: dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu (Daniel Bidwa)
- Newsgroups: soc.motss
- Subject: Re: Rap (Yes, you're still in soc.motss)
- Message-ID: <1992Nov18.192439.26047@sei.cmu.edu>
- Date: 18 Nov 92 19:24:39 GMT
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- lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:
- |> dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu (Daniel Bidwa) writes:
- |> } lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) sez:
- |> } >Most Gay men don't like legitimate rap.
- |> }
- |> } Probably true (although this could have something to do with
- |> } the "he winked at me so I beat him up" Audio Two style
- |> } bullshit that keeps floating around the harder rap genres).
- |> } Hardcore rap does tend to be insular; the casually interested
- |> } white gay man (or lesbian) is probably not going to get a lot
- |> } of exposure to it, so s/he's not likely to know of anyone
- |> } besides, say, Public Enemy or NWA.
- |> You miss my point. I wasn't focusing on hardcore rap, just
- |> legitimate rap. Native Tongue is legitimate, but hardly
- |> hardcore.
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- Point taken, but I don't think it makes a lot of difference. I'm not sure
- exactly what you consider "legitimate" rap, but I'd bet that it doesn't get
- much airplay. (For example, A Tribe Called Quest isn't hardcore, but I've
- never heard them anywhere (except on the college station I work at, and we're
- hardly typical).) The closest comparison I can think of is heavy metal -- huge
- sales to specific cultures, but little to no airplay. (Like rap, metal on the
- radio is almost always the lightest and fluffiest possible examples.) Most
- knowledge is traded through person-to-person contact, not through the media,
- and a person without direct connections to the culture (say, a friend with
- deep knowledge of the music) is unlikely to ever be exposed to the music.
- It's an unfortunate situation, not just for rap, but for lots of other
- worthwhile styles of music, many of which don't have the backing of an ethnic
- solidarity the way rap does.
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- Anyway, I could say that most gay men don't like legitimate jazz either, and
- that would mean just as little. (Actually, the fact that there's all of two
- people responding to this thread probably proves your point.)
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- |> By the way, what ever happened to Audio Two.
-
- Faded, I assume -- haven't heard anything from or about them for a couple
- years. I suspect they just got left behind. Heard anything from DST lately? :-)
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- |> "Can't Touch This" was at least 100 times better than "Ice Ice
- |> Baby". And the work Hammer does in his community justifies it.
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- It makes it more palatable, at least, although they both still go in the scrap
- heap as far as I'm concerned.
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