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- From: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
- Subject: Re: Staten Island Rapid Transit
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- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:24:46 GMT
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- santafe@watserv.ucr.edu (michael a parisi) asked about SIRT on Staten
- Island in New York.
-
- >magazine article about SIRT for that matter). Could someone please tell me
- >about SIRT? (E.g.-what are their trains and stations like, fares, schedules,
- >route(s), etc.)
-
- Jon Bell summarized but with some inaccuracy. SIRT is operated by its
- own public agency, the Staten Island Rapid Transit Operating Authority,
- controlled by the MTA. The electric MUs are slightly modified R44
- subway cars (some details had to be changed to meet ICC standards--
- not sure what).
-
- The line begins in a large terminal under the bus ramps at the Staten
- Island Ferry Terminal (built around 1960) at St George, the northeast
- corner of Staten Island. It runs through a very short tunnel and then
- on a concrete elevated along the dock area to Clifton, a few miles
- southeast, where the repair shop is. Then it turns inland and follows
- the long southeast shore of the island about 1 mile in from the shore.
- The line is completely grade-separated, the last of the crossings
- having been eliminated in the mid-1960's, and runs in cuts or on fills
- as the slightly hilly ground level changes. At the end the line runs
- along the shore of Arthur Kill and ends at Tottenville near the
- southwest corner of the island. Fare is now the same as the bus or
- subway, $1.25, collected on the train or at St George station.
-
- Mark Foggin displayed quite a memory in listing all but one of the
- stations if -my- memory is right. He omitted Princes Bay, a name that
- is a corruption of Prince's or Princess, no one is sure; that's after
- Huguenot I think.
-
- 14 miles is correct. The line is very analogous to the Norristown
- line outside Philadelphia in length and character. Both do not enter
- the city center but connect with another mode that does (the Staten
- Island Ferry or the Market-Frankford El). Both run through mostly
- suburban territory of individual houses. It's too bad SIRT is
- operated with the overheavy staffing of a "mainline" railroad; someday
- that is going to be the end of it, if anyone costs out the operation.
- Cars like the Brill Bullets would have been ideal on the SIRT, which
- except for rush hours could run with single cars and one-person
- operation.
-
- The Staten Island Railroad dates from the 1860's as a steam railroad
- from Clifton (New York Bay) to Tottenville (far west end of the island).
- The Staten Island Rapid Transit Railroad dates from the 1880's and built
- two routes out of a common terminal at St George, the present ferry
- location: the North Shore line to Arlington for passengers and on to
- New Jersey for freight, and the South Beach line along the Bay past
- Clifton and to South Beach. SIRT acquired the SIR around the time it
- opened, and ran the SIR mainline as a third line.
-
- The Baltimore and Ohio Railroad acquired the SIRT around 1898 as a
- New York terminal. This is not as silly as it may sound since freight
- was normally carried across the harbor by lighter (barge) and Staten
- Island is only a bit south of the other lighterage docks in New Jersey.
- B&O passenger service did not go here but to the Central of New Jersey
- terminal in Jersey City (most years).
-
- The SIRT system was electrified with 3d rail around 1925 anticipating
- a tunnel across the Narrows to connect with the subway in Brooklyn.
- The original EMUs ran to about 1980 and were heavy steel cars similar
- to BMT subway cars of that time. The tunnel proposals were apparently
- pretty serious-- I have seen engineering drawings for them!-- but the
- City gave up the scheme by 1929.
-
- The North Shore and South Beach lines were hard hit by bus competition
- during the 1930's but passenger service hung on until 1954. The South
- Beach line was completely abandoned while the North Shore remained in
- use for freight until last year. Only the main St George--Tottenville
- line remained. By 1960 the ferry connection from Tottenville to Perth
- Amboy was abandoned.
-
- The B & O sold the SIRT passenger line to the City in the late 1970's
- (I think then) and it has been run by SIRTOA ever since. The freight
- operation was sold to the Susquehanna in the mid-1980's and they have
- just given it up.
-
- It's a nice ride. Tottenville is small-town America; it's pretty
- weird to see New York City Police cars cruising. You can eat in a
- diner and go look at the Revolutionary-era Conference House on the
- shore.
-
- --Joe Brennan
-
-