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- From: andy@hendrix.ece.uiuc.edu (Andy Bereson)
- Subject: Re: A social problem
- References: <1992Nov11.130451.25299@cs.brown.edu> <2670163@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM>
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- Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:05:17 GMT
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- In article <2670163@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM>, bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith) writes:
- |> In rec.boats, jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:
- |>
- |> Any suggestions? Any ideas *why* these people cannot imagine a healthy woman
- |> in her 30's rowing a boat?
- |>
- |> Please, John, don't make a social issue out of this in the boating
- |> world. There is already too much hate going around as one group of
- |> people snaps and snarls at other groups in situations that *usually*
- |> do not warrant it.
- |>
- |> Yes, there are some people out there who still believe that a woman
- |> can't do (insert your favourite item here...). But most of the people
- |> who say things like that are just trying to be friendly and looking
- |> for something that they can break the ice with. It's just another way
- |> of saying "What a wonderful day." They make a *what is intended to be
- |> a harmless joke* and their expectation is that you will just smile and
- |> wave. Ships that pass: a pleasantry made. That's all it is.
- |>
- |> If you make an issue of it by making some smart answer that is
- |> intended to teach them a lesson, you will not have achieved nothing,
- |> you will have achieved a negative affect. If they are leather necks,
- |> nothing you say will make them change their minds; if they are not,
- |> you will spoil their day and they will wonder why.
- |>
-
- This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is a
- fine example of the sexist attitudes that the original post was trying
- to do his share to eliminate. It is the same attitude that leads to
- debacles such as the hill-thomas affair.
-
- Sexism is so ingrained into most people by the time time they are old
- enough to handle a boat that they simply don't understand how their
- attitudes may be offensive. Certainly many people (the author of the
- above article included, I presume) simply don't understand teh scope or
- root of the problematic attitude. Such people could well benefit by
- some appropriate response which could help deepen their understanding.
-
- I, myself, have, on several occasions, inadvertantly offended someone.
- I meant nothing harmful, but I didn't understand their perspective. By
- being told how I have erred, I can both avoid making the same error in
- the future, and can also, possibly, understand the underlying problem.
-
- If we continue to base our social interactions, particularly those with
- people we don't even know, on a subservient status for women, then this
- social hierarchy will continue to influence how we treat and perceive
- women.
-
- --
- Andy Bereson bereson@cs.uiuc.edu (217)244-3617
-
- "Creatures inveterately wrong in their inductions have a pathetic
- but praiseworthy tendency to die before reproducing their kind" -Quine
-