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- From: mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (REAL LIFE?!?! HA!!)
- Subject: Re: How anti-lock brakes work (may start an interesting discussion)
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- tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:
-
- >In article <1992Nov20.145407.15733@linus.mitre.org> jdouglas@MITRE.org (Jason Douglas) writes:
- >>It certainly seems to make sense that independent control of each wheel
- >>will result in shorter stops: why reduce the breaking of wheels which are
- >>not skidding ? The only logical reason is to reduce the cost of the
- >>system.
-
- >i can think of another reason: reduction of yaw. if one brake on an
- >axle is released while the other is still being applied, the forces
- >will not be equal and you will get some rotation.
- >whether maximum braking is preferable to reduction of yaw is another question.
-
- True, but I think you will find that the change in yaw is negligible. Let's
- trake two scenarios:
-
- Scenario 1) All four wheels on wet pavement. Panic stop. Naturally the
- four wheels will reach threshold slightly aout of phase. The
- ABS system, I believe, can cycle up to twelve times a second.
- At that rate, the different timing between the four wheels will
- not be noticed; the overall effect is relatively even braking.
-
- Scenario 2) Two wheels on ice, two wheels on dry pavement. Panic stop.
- The right wheels (the ones on ice, sorry) will reach threshold
- much more rapidly than the left wheels. ABS activates on the
- right wheels; threshold braking is retained. Greater braking
- force on the left produces yaw to the left.
-
- Scenario 3) Two wheels on ice. No ABS. Panic stop. Again, the right
- wheels will lock before the left ones. But here's the thing:
- Without ABS, the right ones will continue to slide. A sliding
- tire has much less friction than one kept at threshold, so
- the difference between left and right is greater than with ABS,
- resulting in greater yaw.
-
- BTW, I wasn't following this thread, but I'm pretty sure (a certain invitation
- for a flame) that the four brakes are modulated independently. Is anyone com-
- pletely certain that this is not the case? I have looked at the modulator on
- the BMW's, and it has six fittings: two in and four out. Sounds like four-
- wheel-independent control to me.
-
- The biggest problem with the yaw thing is that by reducing the brakes, you are
- increasing the deceleration. And when the ABS is working, you know you are at
- maximum deceleration, so there is really no way that the cycled wheel will have
- less deceleration than the uncycled one, unless the same case would exist
- without ABS.
-
- $0.02
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