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- From: perez@csc.ti.com (edward perez)
- Newsgroups: misc.invest
- Subject: Re: Variable Annuity Life Insurance Plans...
- Message-ID: <1992Nov23.192335.19973@csc.ti.com>
- Date: 23 Nov 92 19:23:35 GMT
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- karl@ttank.ttank.com (Karl Bunch) writes:
- >I would appreciate some pointers on Life Insurance plans that I have heard
- >called "Variable Tax Deferred Annuity" plans. A Prudential sales-critter
- >is pushing us towards one. I am self-employed and this seems like a good
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ be wary of this. see below.
- >way to bury a little cash white "covering my a**". Is this true?
- >
- >I know you have to look out for the "Modified Endowment" clauses. Outside
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ what is this??
- >of that are there other things we should be asking this guy?
-
- karl, they are not really life insurance plans. more a deal where you give
- money to the insurance co. and they promise (as best they can) to give you some
- back (all if it is a fixed annuity) plus any earnings over a specified period
- of time.
-
- at the minimum, [my opinion in brackets]
-
- what is the minimum amount you must put in? can you add to the annuity? if
- so, what is the minimum and how often? [look for one where you can continue to
- add to it so you can dollar or value cost average]
-
- what sort of fee (aka sales charge, load) do you have to pay to buy the
- variable annuity? note that the sales charge usually goes to the selling
- broker. hence, they WANT you to buy one, whether you need one or not (reminds
- me of the line from "We're No Angels" with Humphrey Bogart: "That's his job,
- selling people things they don't need at a price they can't afford."). [dont
- pay a sales charge!!]
-
- what sort of surrender charge is there and how many years before there are no
- more surrender charges? [usualy 5-7 yrs, sometimes 10; as low as possible for
- as short as possible]
-
- what are the annual fees (mgmt, acct, mortality)? [as low as possible]
-
- how much can you withdraw each year without paying a surrender charge? Note
- that any money you withdraw is subject to a 10% IRS penalty as well as regular
- income tax (like withdrawing from an IRA). there is a way around the 10%
- penalty. [look for one where you can withdraw up to 10% of value without
- surrender charge, just in case you really need to get to the money]
-
- what sort of annuitization (payout) options are there? [as many as possible]
-
- are there toll-free numbers you can call to get info on your acct? [for sure]
-
- what sort of investment choices do you have? are they managed by the insurance
- company or by a mutual fund co. on behalf of the insurance company? [as many
- as possible]
-
- how often/how much can you switch between the choices? [as often as possible]
-
-
- >Are there other companies offering better plans than Prudential has?
- >
-
- i have one from Vanguard Variable Annuity Program, sponsored by Vanguard and
- National Home Life Co (?). unfortunately, they only have four options: Money
- Market, Bonds, Equity, and Balanced. no sales fees, no surrender charges,
- $25/annual fees, very low mgmt/mortality fees. so far this year, the Equity
- and Balanced are up about 10%.
-
- i have also received information from Independent Advantage (IA) in California.
- all they do is sell variable annuitites. most have sales fees, 5-7 year
- surrender charges, >$30 annual fees, etc. but they have a wider range of
- choices.
-
- there is a company here in dallas, Fisher Agency (214 238-1450), that is
- similar to IA, but they also sell fixed annuities (guaranteed interest rate).
- they can send you info on both kinds free of charge or obligation.
-
- >What tax benefits / problems am I looking at?
-
- any money you put into an annuity is AFTER tax dollars. there is no legal
- limit to how much you can put in nor how many you can have. the limit for IRAs
- is $2000 or earned income, whichever is less, and only if you meet certain
- conditions (see IRS rules). any increase in the value of the annuity due
- to interest and capital gains are tax deferred. you only pay taxes when you
- withdraw, and only then on the interest/gains.
-
- you cant pull the money out without paying a 10% IRS penalty unless you pull
- the money out in equivalent, periodic amounts for 5 years or until you are 59
- 1/2, whichever is later. you still have to pay income tax on the earnings.
-
- if you die before you get to annuitize, certain annuity companies will
- guarantee that your beneficiary(ies) will receive no less than the amount you
- have contributed.
-
- in my mind, the adjective "variable" really implies non-guaranteed, because you
- are investing in stocks and bonds, for which there is no guarantee that your
- money will really be there when you ask for it back. that is, your principal
- is not guaranteed. in a fixed one, you are guaranteed to get the principal and
- interest back (unless the company goes bankrupt, see below).
-
-
- a few things i just found about annuities (in a brochure from IA). 1) variable
- annuities are held in a "separate account" from the insurance. if the ins. co.
- goes bankrupt, you still get your money back. a fixed annuity is NOT held in a
- "separate account." 2) if you have a variable annuity and you have made some
- really big paper gains and want to lock it in without having to pay any tax on
- the gain, you can perform an exchange into another variable or fixed annuity
- without penalty, unless you have to pay a surrender charge. kinda like selling
- a stock with gains and putting the money in another stock or money market acct.
-
- i still dont know if you can exchange your annuity into an IRA or vice versa.
- does anyone know???
-
-
- if you want the phone number for IA, please email as i still have the brochure
- at my home.
-
-
- all the above is from memory (except fisher agency's phone number), so there
- may be a error or two here or there.
-
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