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- From: friedman@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Noah Friedman)
- Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
- Subject: Re: November LPF Programming Freedom issue
- Date: 15 Nov 92 22:00:42
- Organization: Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass Ave. Cambridge, MA 02139
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- References: <1992Nov15.182219.2730@news.cs.indiana.edu>
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- In-reply-to: huntley@gable.cs.indiana.edu's message of 15 Nov 92 18:22:12 GMT
-
- (For the record, I am not a director of the LPF and can't speak in any
- official capacity for the organization as a whole. I'm just a volunteer.)
-
- In article <1992Nov15.182219.2730@news.cs.indiana.edu> huntley@gable.cs.indiana.edu (Haydn Huntley) writes:
- >The reason I decided not to renew my membership is that I was turned
- >off by the LPF's anti-Apple attitude. I can understand boycotting an
- >organization as a protest against what they are doing, but hasn't the
- >threatening part of the Apple vs. Microsoft/Hewlett-Packard suit been
- >resolved already?
-
- No.
-
- Judge Walker threw out most of Apple's complaints against Microsoft and HP.
- He cited concerns about overbroad monopoly as part of the reason. This is
- definitely a step in the right direction but it does not completely
- eliminate the danger from Apple for several reasons:
-
- * Not all of the lawsuit has been thrown out. A few of Apple's claims
- still remain to be decided.
-
- * Part of the reason most claims were rejected was that Microsoft had
- signed a contract with Apple, years ago. In fact, the judge did not
- decide for certain that the features in Apple's list were
- uncopyrightable; he said that *either* they are uncopyrightable *or*
- Microsoft's license covers them. Only another trial will tell us which
- one it is!
-
- Thus, if Apple were to sue someone else in the exact same way--someone
- who did not sign such a license with them years ago--it is not clear that
- the outcome would be the same.
-
- * Apple is appealing the decision; we cannot regard any of it as final.
-
-
- >When the LPF treats all companies reasonably fairly, then I will be able
- >to support it whole-heartedly. Originally, I was under the impression
- >that the LPF was an organization which cared about principles, but I
- >really don't understand how continuing to sell 'Fanged Apple' buttons is
- >the best way to explain our cause (that is, that we are anti-algorithm
- >patents, rather than against certain parts of the software industry).
-
- I agree with you that in general it's good to be consistent, but this
- wouldn't help the LPF's case at all. The end doesn't justify the means,
- but if the means are not all that objectionable (in an ethical sense) and
- the end is important enough, I'm personally willing to forego the ideal
- means for more practical ones.
-
- If the LPF urged a boycott on every company which had software patents
- or interface copyrights, we would have far less support because it would
- mean boycotting such a substantial fraction of the software industry. If
- people have to choose between boycotting most of the software industry (and
- sacrificing their livelihood), or ignoring the boycott, they will obviously
- do the latter. The LPF would look silly urging a boycott against every
- "evildoer" and getting completely ignored. That won't help our case the
- slightest bit. But Apple is just one corporation, and a boycott against
- them serves as an example to the rest of the industry. The boycott is not
- intended as a matter of principle; it's a political tactic. That doesn't
- mean we think what other companies are doing is necessarily any less
- objectionable than Apple's legal actions.
-
- As far as the fanged apple buttons go, I think they are supposed to
- serve primarily as a conversation piece. When I give them to people I
- explain to them what Apple is doing with regard to interface copyrights and
- why interface copyrights are bad in general. I also try to talk about
- software patents. Their aim is not solely to say "Apple is evil", though
- they do happen serve as a symbol of the boycott on Apple as well.
-
- I'm sorry that you disagreboycott on Apple as well.
-
- I'm sorry that you disagree with the League's position on the Apple
- boycott. I guess all you can do in that case is decide what you think is
- the "lesser of two evils", and base your actions on that decision. The LPF
- benefits by your membership; Apple (and other companies who disagree with
- the LPF) benefit by your not joining.
-