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- Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 11:29:24 EST
- From: Jack.Decker@f8.n154.z1.fidonet.org (Jack Decker)
- Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
- Subject: Re: Is Caller-ID an Illegal Trap and Trace?
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- In message <telecom12.859.1@eecs.nwu.edu>, bharrell@garfield.catt.
- ncsu.edu (Ben Harrell) wrote:
-
- > Also, I would like for someone to explain to me the conceptual
- > difference between someone calling me and someone knocking on my door.
- > Unless I know who is on the other side of that door, I'm not likely to
- > answer it, and if I do I'm going to be very careful about it. In the
- > entire history of telephony, I having had that capability. But now
- > with CLID, I do. I understand that battered spouse shelters,
- > undercover policemen, etc. need protection, but for the average person
- > or business, why is CLID any different "personal privacy" wise to my
- > going and knocking on my neighbors door. Why would I expect him/her
- > to answer that door, if he doesn't recognize me or my voice?
-
- I think where your analogy falls flat is that Caller ID is delivered
- to ALL users of that service when you call them, not just those you
- want to have your number. Let's think about your "person at the door"
- analogy a bit more. Consider the case of a stranger at the door: You
- have the right to refuse to answer the door if you don't know the
- person there, but you don't really know anything about him or her,
- certainly not their address. But let's suppose that the door in
- question is not the front door to your home, but rather the front door
- to a place of business. Let's suppose, just to make things
- interesting, that it's an insurance agency that sells auto, life, and
- health and accident insurance. Let's suppose that you walk by and see
- a sign that says "Low rates on Auto Insurance - Inquire Inside" (the
- equivalent of a yellow pages ad?) so you attempt to enter. But, you
- are met at the door by a greeter who says that you cannot enter,
- cannot ask a question, or cannot talk to anyone there about anything
- until you have provided your name and current address.
-
- Now, I don't know about you, but at that point I'd probably start
- thinking that once they have my name and address, they can come to my
- door and harass me about my need for various types of insurance, and
- if they can't give me a estimate on their "low auto insurance rate"
- without giving me the third degree, I'll take my business elsewhere.
- Or, alternately, I might consent to give the information, but at least
- I've given it with my full knowledge and consent.
-
- In the case of Caller ID, the information (my phone number) is just
- taken from me and given to selected people that I call, but I have no
- way of knowing who's getting my number, nor do I get a chance to
- pre-approve the giving of that information (unless per-line blocking
- is available, and I gather that's what you object to). Generally, if
- I call another residential customer, I don't really mind them knowing
- that it's me calling (though there may occasionally be exceptions).
- But what I REALLY object to is the giving of my number to businesses
- that may capture it and then use it later on for unsolicited "cold"
- sales calls.
-
- Just as you don't normally identify yourself when you walk into most
- places of business, I do not want my phone number automatically
- provided to businesses that I call. If they request my phone number,
- I may well give it to them, but *I* want to make that decision.
-
- By the way, some have asked how come folks don't object to ANI
- information going out on 800 number calls. I think it's partly
- because folks don't realize it's happening, and partly because folks
- who do realize it's happening also understand that when you are paying
- for the calls, you need to know where the calls are coming from in
- order to avoid fradulent billing. But if I'm paying for the call, or
- if it's a local call, that argument falls flat, because Caller ID data
- is never used for billing verification.
-
- > I know that I don't have to tell him/her were *I* live, but I just
- > don't see the difference and don't understand what people get so upset
- > about with CLID. Maybe I'm just dense.
-
- You're not dense, but you possibly haven't considered that Caller ID
- data is delivered to both businesses and residences, and you don't
- even know that it happens. It's a different situation with the
- stranger at your door ... if you choose to answer your door, you still
- don't know their home address unless they tell you, and if you're a
- business owner you probably aren't going to demand their home address
- when they walk in your door!
-
-
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