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- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:50:30 GMT
- From: deej@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (david.g.lewis)
- Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
- Subject: Re: Telco Handling Of Cable Cut
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- In article <telecom12.848.7@eecs.nwu.edu> vixen!jadams@uunet.UU.NET
- (22475-adams) writes:
-
- > In article <telecom12.839.1@eecs.nwu.edu>, rfranken@cs.umr.edu
- > writes:
-
- >> First, let me clarify exactly what I meant. The point I was making is
- >> that a switch need not know that anything has happened.
- >> ...
- >> I an fairly certain that supervision on the trunk will not be lost
- >> during the interval that the trunk is being rerouted.
-
- > The previous post (this issue) from Al Varney about signaling on DS1
- > indicates a very short (less than 125 us) interval needed to maintain
- > supervision. Protection switching operates with switching times of at
- > least two orders of magnitude higher. As such, it is highly unlikely
- > that individual circuit supervision will survive such a switch.
-
- I missed Al's article, but I don't think the time needed to maintain a
- trunk in the active state is that short. Notes (BOC Notes on the LEC
- Networks -- 1990, SR-TSV-002275 -- the pfabulous repfrence with the
- pfunny name), Section 6.21, Carrier Group Alarm, says:
-
- "After a carrier failure occurs but before CGA trunk conditioning
- begins, it is desirable to maintain the same supervisory states on
- each trunk that existed before the failure. If the carrier cannot be
- restored in a reasonable time (for example, 2.5 seconds), trunk
- processing should be initiated to remove the trunks from service.
- However, since there is no fixed maximum in this case, the time could
- be longer or shorter than the 2.5 seconds given above. The time
- should be long enough to maximize the possibility of restoring the
- carrier before trunk processing begins, but short enough so that the
- customers using the facility are not more annoted by the effects
- caused by the delay in processing the failure than they are by the
- effects of the carrier failure ..."
-
- "Typical intervals between carrier failure and the beginning of trunk
- processing vary from 300 ms to 2.5 seconds ..."
-
- ("Trunk processing" refers to the application of on-hook to clear the
- call and stop charging, followed about ten seconds later by an offhook
- to prevent the trunk from being selected for a call.)
-
- So if a protection switch occurs in less than 300ms (not 125us), it is
- virtually guaranteed to occur prior to any trunk conditioning; a
- protection switch accomplished in less than a second is very likely to
- not cause trunk conditioning.
-
- > Moreover, in current digital facilties (FT3 comes to mind), this
- > protection switching is built in to automatically switch to a spare
- > line when the BER exceeds 10-6(?).
-
- I don't know the FT3, but most new fiber optic systems that use
- protection switching will switch on a BER threshold crossing or a loss
- of signal, or potentially other parameters.
-
- >> Do any telephone companies actually use this for voice circuits? I
- >> don't know, but my point was that it could be done if they wanted to.
-
- > Now that we've beaten this to death, I reiterate that I know of NO
- > telephone companies (this doesn't mean that none exist!) that use this
- > approach.
-
- Increasing the cost of trunking by a factor of two is not a popular
- thing to do.
-
-
- David G Lewis AT&T Bell Laboratories
- david.g.lewis@att.com or !att!goofy!deej Switching & ISDN Implementation
-
-