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- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 20:01:29 CST
- From: rfranken@cs.umr.edu
- Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
- Subject: Re: Telco Handling Of Cable Cut
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- >> Equipment to do this DOES exist. I work for a railroad, in the
- >> telecommunications department (although not the switched network
- >> group), and we have equipment (I can't remember the name - I'll refer
- >> to it as a DACS, although that is not really an accurate name) that
- >> does this.
-
- > If railroad signaling (I'm a RR wannabe as a hobbyist) is what is
- > carried, it is natural to have protection switching (What the telecom
- > industry calls its schemes to maintain reliable transmission
- > facilities) in place for safety reasons. In the public switched
- > telephone network (PSTN), the consequences of dropping a connection
- > are not as severe.
-
- Agreed. I remember a quote from some telco engineer after a fairly
- major outage (not sure which one) who said words to the effect of "We
- can make the telephone network as reliable as you want, but you'll
- have to pay for it."
-
- Actually, I believe it is being used for data circuits (important to
- the business, but not for safety - there are other protection methods
- for safety related stuff such as dispather radios, but that is
- irrelevant here), and I think the plan is to put voice trunks (PBX
- tie-lines) on it at some point (maybe) ... the point is it could be
- done.
-
- >> I an fairly certain that supervision on the trunk will not be lost
- >> during the interval that the trunk is being rerouted. If it was,
-
- > The previous post (this issue) from Al Varney about signaling on DS1
- > indicates a very short (less than 125 us) interval needed to maintain
- > supervision. Protection switching operates with switching times of at
- > least two orders of magnitude higher. As such, it is highly unlikely
- > that individual circuit supervision will survive such a switch.
-
- I don't know what the requirements to maintain supervision are, but
- this equipment is better described as a packet switch, rather than a
- DACS. The voice signals are packetized and sent. (No packets when
- the line is quiet, supervision sent only when it changes, etc), and so
- the receiving end would (I believe) tolerate a second or two of no
- packets without dropping supervision. (Again, this is general info
- only - I am not the engineer in charge of this project). In this case,
- there would no NO loss of supervision (for any period of time).
-
- > Now that we've beaten this to death, I reiterate that I know of NO
-
- True. This is the last I'll say on this topic. Its certainly
- possible that NO telcos use this method.
-
- > telephone companies (this doesn't mean that none exist!) that use this
- > approach.
-
- (Well, at some point, you will probably be able to add the railroad's
- switched network "mini telco" (but bigger than some real telcos) to
- the list that do this).
-
-
- Brett
-
-