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- From: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
- Subject: EEE Senate (was: Reform Party)
- In-Reply-To: schuck@fraser.sfu.ca's message of Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:59:13 GMT
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- Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
- Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 03:42:20 GMT
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- In article <schuck.722548753@sfu.ca> schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck) writes:
-
-
- >The Reform Party, in seeking ways of "balancing" the Central Canada
- >majority, is trying to sell reforms which are NOT democratic when
- >considered at the Federal level, but which seem "pretty good" in that
- >they would (at least in theory) give power to people that have been
- >traditionally under-represented.
-
- >Unfortunately, the proposals are neither democratic nor "federal," EEE
- >being a good case in point.
-
- A Triple E Senate is the very *essence* of federal democracy.
-
- In the US the Senate is equal [ actually more equal in some instances]
- with the House of Representatives.
-
- The US Senate resulted from a compromise at the Second Constitutional
- Convention.
-
- In Australia, the Senate is equal with the House of Commons.
-
- In a *federal* democracy, their are two *equal* houses, one based on
- equality of the people, and one based on equality of the
- Provinces/States.
-
- Here are two exception I found after 10 minutes of research.
-
- The Upper House of the German Federal Republic does not represent
- every state equally (smaller states and city-states having fewer
- states). The Upper House of the Austrian Federal Republic is
- rep-by-pop (its members being elected by the unicameral provincial
- legislatures).
-
- When Central Canadians say the Triple E Senate is *not* democratic and
- *not* federal, what they really mean is they are greedy assholes who
- have no intention of ever giving any real power to the other provinces.
-
- I have no problem with a EEE Senate, so long as it can be introduced
- without increasing the anti-federalist feeling amongst Quebecers.
-
-
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