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- From: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
- Subject: EEE Senate (was: Reform Party)
- In-Reply-To: schuck@fraser.sfu.ca's message of Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:11:27 GMT
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- <1992Nov23.041508.8561@csi.uottawa.ca> <schuck.722548753@sfu.ca>
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- Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 03:50:10 GMT
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- In article <schuck.722563887@sfu.ca> schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck) writes:
-
- cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne) writes:
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- >In article <schuck.722548753@sfu.ca> Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes:
- >>cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne) writes:
- >>
- >>
- >>
- >>>The Reform Party, in seeking ways of "balancing" the Central Canada
- >>>majority, is trying to sell reforms which are NOT democratic when
- >>>considered at the Federal level, but which seem "pretty good" in that
- >>>they would (at least in theory) give power to people that have been
- >>>traditionally under-represented.
- >>
- >>>Unfortunately, the proposals are neither democratic nor "federal," EEE
- >>>being a good case in point.
- >>
- >>A Triple E Senate is the very *essence* of federal democracy.
- >>
- >>In the US the Senate is equal [ actually more equal in some instances]
- >>with the House of Representatives.
- >>
- >>In Australia, the Senate is equal with the House of Commons.
-
- >What do the two examples of countries with Senates that you've
- >mentioned have in common? Hmmm... They wouldn't have any British
- >traditions in effect, would they?
-
- The US is a Republic, with almost no British traditions left.
- It was based more on the French system, than the British.
-
- What features of the French system are you referring to?
-
- >The Senate is a vestige of the Parliamentary system invented by the
- >Brits.
-
- Nonsense. A Senate is the 2nd chamber in a bicameral legislature and
- has nothing to do explicitly with a British Parliamentry democracy.
-
- The term Senate dates back to Roman times.
-
- And what was the OTHER legislative chamber in Rome called?
-
- [...]
-
- Without equality of the provinces in a Triple E Senate Canada is not a
- federal democracy.
-
- The US and Australia are.
-
- Name a federal democracy that doesn't have a Triple E Senate.
-
- I did elsewhere: Germany and Austria.
-
- And don't say Canada, because we are not a real democracy.
-
- Everyone has a different idea of what democracy is. Have you seen the
- CBC/Patrick Watson documentary series "THE STRUGGLE FOR DEMOCRACY"? I
- found it incredibly interesting.
-
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