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- From: eepjm@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (Peter Moylan)
- Subject: Re: A gender neutral pronoun
- Message-ID: <1992Nov23.102226.1@wombat.newcastle.edu.au>
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- Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
- References: <722057498@ptero.cs.duke.edu> <0XXiuB2w165w@lily.arts.com>
- Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 23:22:26 GMT
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- In article <0XXiuB2w165w@lily.arts.com>, palepink@lily.arts.com (Suzii Abe) writes:
- >
- > Ok, let's see a show of hands. How many here know what the *real*
- > second-person singular pronoun is in English? (Native German speakers,
- > sit down; we all know you know it.)
-
- OK, if you want people to avoid giving away the punch line I'll
- avoid using the t-word; but I don't see the point of this question.
- I'd guess that almost all native speakers of English are aware of
- the old form of the second person singular, and could even find the
- right verb ending to go with it. This is obscure only to those
- who learnt English as a foreign language.
-
- We didn't stop using that word because we forgot how to say it.
- We stopped (that is, our ancestors stopped) using it because
- (a) there is/was a convention - still alive in some other languages -
- that the plural form is somehow more respectful, and because
- the upper classes in England went through a phase of avoiding
- intimacy in speech;
- (b) deliberate ambiguity can be very convenient. For example,
- being able to say "I'll be seeing you" when leaving a group of
- people avoids the embarrassment of a farewell to one person
- which omits the others.
-
- Point (b) applies equally well to the use of "they" as a replacement
- for he/she. There are times when we want to avoid specifying the
- sex of a person. It's unlikely that a newly invented pronoun for
- this purpose would be accepted, since the convention in English, when
- a new word is needed, has always been either to take the word from
- another language (not really applicable in this case) or to extend
- the meaning of an old word.
-
- --
- Peter Moylan eepjm@wombat.newcastle.edu.au
-