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- From: palepink@lily.arts.com (Suzii Abe)
- Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
- Subject: Re: last,latest,latter
- Message-ID: <J3uiuB1w165w@lily.arts.com>
- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 21:14:18 PST
- References: <BxvBuv.360@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
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- tdlg9831@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tracey Dianne Layng) writes:
-
- > Nico Tranquilli asks about:
- > >LAST, LATEST(?), LATTER ?
-
- and then comments on:
-
- > >the last time I posted here
-
- thereby demonstrating his command of one of the three, although
- certainly not fitting the definitions:
-
- > Last- the final one. "That was the last cookie, and you ate it."
- > Latest - newest. "That is the latest edition of _Webster's Dictionary_."
- > Latter - used when choosing the second of two things. "If I had a choice of
- > pork chops or lobster, I would choose the latter." (lobster)
-
- My interpretation of the combination of these three adjectives is
- that Nico is asking about them as identifiers for a (unique...)
- element of a set *in chronological order*.
-
- Last: the set is complete.
- "The last time I posted here" is correct because of the past tense
- of "posted". The set of the times Nico posted in the past is complete--
- even though it clearly does not include the current post or any future
- posts.
- "The last time I post here", in contrast, *must* refer to the current
- post, and clearly states that the set of my postings here is complete
- with this post--there will be no future postings. (This is usually
- understood, with most net.persons, to be hyperbole. Most of them will
- be back again and again.)
-
- Latest: the set is incomplete. (Synonymous to "most recent".)
- "My latest posting" is the one I wrote most recently. This has connotations
- of "New! Improved! Fashionable!", reinforced by the meaning of "latest"
- as "newest, most fashionable", undeterred by the meaning of "late" as "dead".
-
- [Now that I look at it, "the meaning of X _as_ Y" makes my stomach
- feel sorta twisty. What do I really want there?]
-
- Latter: (Very stuffy word. I know about three people who use it in
- real life, Mormons ("Latter-Day Saints") excepted.) Set small.
-
- --Suzii.
- palepink@lily.arts.com
-
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