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- From: gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener)
- Subject: Re: Arguing about language
- Message-ID: <1992Nov18.141309.27026@news.columbia.edu>
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- Reply-To: gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener)
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- References: <1992Nov18.063613.2724@Princeton.EDU>
- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:13:09 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov18.063613.2724@Princeton.EDU> roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes:
- >
- >And when there is a clear subtext to their assertions -- namely that
- >they are in tune with those old standards, and that they can identify
- >the barbarians by this or that shibboleth [I know, I know] -- I
- >have no compunctions about pointing out their agenda.
-
- Oh please. Gimme a break.
-
- >But if they use their argument as a stick to beat on some social
- >group they don't care much for -- as usually happens in such situations --
- >I shall stand up to defend people who are using the language as they
- >know how.
-
- I don't recall *anyone* in recent months picking on any particular
- social group. Gaffes of grammar and usage tend to permeate all social
- groups. No one gets discriminated against.
-
- >I shall also stand up to challenge the misinformation that
- >usually accompanies the "decline" arguments.
-
- With all this standing up you're doing, you might as well just mount
- your computer terminal at chest level and be done with it.
-
- >But we don't always speak formal written prose. We speak this or that
- >dialect -- always -- and in *some* settings, *some* situations, they
- >are perfectly acceptable.
-
- Yes, indeed. And there are certain things which one does in informal
- speaking or writing that one would not do in formal prose. There are
- other things that one would never do in either. We seem to disagree on
- the latter category.
-
- >Well, I usually get angry when the implications of the argument involve
- >*my* inferiority of linguistic use. And since such arguments are
- >usually based on prejudice of the Edwin-Newmanesque sort, I don't
- >take them lying down.
-
- Uh huh. Somehow I suspect that most of the characteristics we are talking
- about aren't readily found in your idiolect.
-
-
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