home *** CD-ROM | disk | FTP | other *** search
- Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
- Path: sparky!uunet!charon.amdahl.com!pacbell.com!sgiblab!darwin.sura.net!jvnc.net!princeton!crux!roger
- From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
- Subject: Re: quite unique
- Message-ID: <1992Nov16.182859.25273@Princeton.EDU>
- Originator: news@nimaster
- Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System)
- Nntp-Posting-Host: crux.princeton.edu
- Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
- Organization: Princeton University
- References: <1992Nov16.023754.9072@news.columbia.edu> <1992Nov16.052702.21102@Princeton.EDU> <1992Nov16.112957.23053@black.ox.ac.uk>
- Distribution: alt
- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:28:59 GMT
- Lines: 38
-
- In article <1992Nov16.112957.23053@black.ox.ac.uk> microsoc@black.ox.ac.uk (Marc B.A. Read) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov16.052702.21102@Princeton.EDU> roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) writes:
- >>I can't believe I missed this the first time around.
-
- >>In article <1992Nov16.023754.9072@news.columbia.edu> gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener) writes:
- >>>In article <1992Nov15.180410.20206@Princeton.EDU> roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) writes:
-
- >>>>I take it, then, that you've actually looked up "quite" and "unique"
- >>>>in a dictionary or similar? Again, I refer you to Evans and Evans,
- >>>>who address the issue directly.
-
- >>>I have, actually. Unique means "being the only one of its kind."
- >>>That people also use it to mean "very unusual" doesn't mean much.
-
- >>Excuse me, Gabe, but when we're discussing words, what does "X means Y"
- >>mean, if not "people use X to mean Y"? Is there some other source of
- >>meaning? If "people also use it to mean Z" doesn't mean much to you,
- >>how *do* you determine what a word means?
-
- > You aren't related to Humpty Dumpty, by any chance, are you?
-
- >PS I haven't got my copy of Alice with me at the moment; perhaps someone
- > would care to post the quotation that I'm thinking of...
-
- Humpty says that a word means what *he* says it means. (Gabe, who
- doesn't accept the information in dictionaries as useful for determining
- what a word means, works a lot like this. Or at least he's never given
- any other reason than his own say-so.)
-
- I say that a word means what LOTS OF PEOPLE say it means -- namely those
- who use it. I say that there is no other standard for determining meaning
- of words.
-
- And I would love to hear of any other standard, any other way aside
- from actual usage, of determining what a word means.
-
- Roger
-
-