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- From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
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- Subject: Re: quite unique research?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov16.035345.9575@Princeton.EDU>
- Date: 16 Nov 92 03:53:45 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov15.145943.5614@desire.wright.edu> thayes@desire.wright.edu writes:
-
- >I have done some research on the U-word. Herewith is the score.
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
-
- Huh?
-
- >If you don't believe me, I would urge you to look it up yourself.
-
- >1. On the matter of Roger L.'s expert envy:
-
- Wrong glasses again? I don't recall envying any experts. However,
- I have cited a few. Are experts *necessarily* wrong?
-
- >I made commentary on this several months ago in a light-hearted manner, and I
- >believe he took it that way. OK then, here's a rundown of the expert opinion.
-
- >In favor of a modifiable uniqueness (this according to Roger): Evans, AHD 1.
-
- AHD 1 lists the adverbs that can modify the word: almost, really, quite
- (in the sense of "truly"), more nearly, most nearly. Ones rejected by
- the Usage Panel: rather, the most, more, somewhat, very. The Usage
- Note distinguishes one group from the other by the fact that the first
- group does not imply degree in the sense that the second group does.
-
- >Opposed to a modifiable uniqueness (according to my research): Fowler,
- >Nicholson, Strunk & White, Phythian, Partridge, Oxford Guide to English Usage
- >(and I would add Webster's 3rd and OED). I may have missed some experts in
- >this tally, but I wouldn't hesitate to guess that they're in this group.
-
- I'll go and look at these, but note that S&W isn't a dictionary or a usage
- guide -- it's a style book that often goes against usage and makes no
- bones about it. S&W do not claim to be usage experts, nor were they.
-
- >Result: on the basis of the quantity and quality of expert opinion, round 1
- >goes to the NOT group.
-
- Could you post a few of the *arguments* these guys give? I've posted
- the AHD and Evans arguments, which seem pretty good to me, taking into
- account their differing purposes (and the inherent speciousness of the
- Usage Panel method).
-
- >The majority of experts agree that unique is not
- >modifiable. As the OED states, unique means "Single, sole, alone of its
- >kind... (obs: rare)."
-
- Non-sequitur. That the OEd states that doesn't mean that the word is or
- is not modifiable.
-
- >HOWEVER, Phythian makes an interesting note that something may be nearly or
- >almost unique.
-
- In short, modifiable. So what's he doing in Column B?
-
- >2. Is "unique" unique?
-
- >I reviewed the discussion of unique in Webster's English usage guide (1989, pp.
- >927-929). Very interesting. Here's a summary of what they said.
-
- >There are four distinct meanings of unique. The first meaning -- incidently,
- >the one Roger's expert (Evans) said may be modified -- is *only* or *sole*.
-
- Read again what I posted. An excerpt: 'Today "unique" may mean "in a class
- by itself," but it more often means "unparalleled" or simply "remarkable."
- "In all its current senses "unique" may be modified.'
-
- >A second meaning is *having no like or equal*, that is, unparalleled; note that
- >this could be bad (e.g., "Dracula's unique evil").
-
- Which, according to Evans, may be modified.
-
- >A third meaning is
- >*peculiar*, as in "unique to" (e.g., "The spotted owl is unique to old growth
- >forest in the Pacific Northwest"). The final meaning is *unusual excellence*,
- >as in "Williams' .406 batting average was an indicator of his unique batting
- >capability."
-
- Which, according to Evans, may be modified.
-
- >Webster's had two suggestions for use of unique. First, in its typical (though
- >not unique) cynical style, it suggested that many have dearly held beliefs
- >about unique but "Perhaps you might try being one who knows enough about its
- >bad reputation to avoid it but who also knows enough about its actual history
- >not to sneer at those who use it" (p. 929). In this sense they endorse its
- >modification.
-
- >However, they went on to state that if one wishes to modify unique to make it
- >mean unusual or distinctive, then one *should* replace unique with unusual or
- >distinctive and not use unique.
-
- >I would add that they are implicitly acknowledging the lack of symetry which I
- >would write out as follows: something is rare because it is unique, but
- >something may not be unique because it is rare.
-
- Three comments:
-
- 1) Time for a reality check. Are you *honestly* saying that any of the
- folks above disallow *all* modifiers for "unique"? Including "really"
- and "truly" and "more nearly" and "in some/every sense" and so on?
- "Unique" can obviously be modified; the question is: how?
-
- 2) As I stated before, the problem is not only with "unique" and the
- word-fetish that surrounds it, but with "quite." "Quite" is used to
- mean "truly" or "indeed," i.e., to verify or intensify a word that
- follows it. It has nothing to do with degree (though "not quite")
- seems to.
-
- 3) regarding the "experts" -- I don't give a damn that they're experts.
- I care mainly that they provide a survey of usage, and a discussion of
- what words actually mean and how they are actually used. When the alternative
- is sneering and bald assertion and specious reasoning based on misinformation
- about what this or that word means, I will indeed reach for the experts.
- I will weigh their arguments and decide for myself -- but I see no reason
- to deprive myself of their experience, or to discount them for reasons
- of fashion.
-
- Incidentally, the reason I cited AHD and Evans was that those are the two
- books I have here at home. Now, would you do us the favor of repeating
- a few of the arguments the other sources you mention employ? So far
- you've given us one point from Phythian -- which contradicts what you
- say he says. Simple yes and no tallies aren't of much interest to me;
- it's the arguments and evidence behind them that make the difference.
-
- >This posting doesn't solve this debate, but I would conclude that simply
- >counting up experts doesn't win Roger's case. On the other hand, those of
- >Roger's ilk are partially correct to one degree, but not ... uniquely?
-
- (You should see what the Usage Panel said about "partially." 8-) )
-
- I agree that tallying up experts doesn't mean anything. Considering
- their arguments does, however.
-
- Roger
-