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- From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
- Newsgroups: alt.consciousness
- Subject: Re: I like Zen (was Re: I like consciousness)
- Message-ID: <Stafford-231192130043@stafford.winona.msus.edu>
- Date: 23 Nov 92 19:06:09 GMT
- References: <1992Nov20.175526.1@hamp.hampshire.edu:<1992Nov22.180053.3672@cgrg.ohio-state.
- edu> <kf45PTu00WB80IYGcD@andrew.cmu.edu> <Nov.23.11.58.02.1992.22974@ruhets.rutgers.edu>
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- In article <Nov.23.11.58.02.1992.22974@ruhets.rutgers.edu>,
- farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris) wrote:
- >
- > In article <kf45PTu00WB80IYGcD@andrew.cmu.edu>, lord+@andrew.cmu.edu (Tom Lord) writes:
- >
- [...]
- >
- > :Personally, i've taken the message of zen to be this: all of our
- > :scripts, models, and stock behaviors are there in our brains. They
- > :are not the product of will that brings them to bear -- they are
- > :well-worn paths through the statespace of brainstates -- they are
- > :potential wells. The nice thing about these paths, and our brains in
- > :general, is that they are self-optimizing.
- >
- > I disagree with this statement. Based on my observations of my self
- > and many other people, they are pretty random in whether they improve
- > or not.
-
- True! A fellow I knew 20 years ago studied Zen for years until he felt
- he had gone to the center, achieved Satori. He went on a trek to visit
- his mentor to ask a great question. After all those years and the trek
- he met his mentor and asked "Can one have achieved satori and still be
- an asshole." The response was a smiling nod.
-
- (This guy is the president of a large computing company now. In fact,
- one of you may work for him. True story.)
-