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- From: frisinv@pell50.alleg.edu(Vincent Frisina)
- Subject: Re: Free will
- Message-ID: <1992Jul22.125508.10715@pellns.alleg.edu>
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- Organization: Allegheny College
- References: <1992Jul22.075422.27506@a.cs.okstate.edu>
- Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 12:55:08 GMT
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- In article <1992Jul22.075422.27506@a.cs.okstate.edu>
- onstott@a.cs.okstate.edu (ONSTOTT CHARLES OR) writes:
- > From article <1992Jul20.051558.14985@news.eng.convex.com>, by
- cash@convex.com (Peter Cash):
- > > In article <1992Jul19.014518.13885@pellns.alleg.edu>
- frisinv@pell50.alleg.edu (Vincent Frisina) writes:
- > >
- > >> I also don't see the conflict between physics and free will. Physics
- > >>does not deal with any living or self-ordering system which is the
- only
- > >>thing that can have a free will.
- > >
- > > Yes, I share your puzzlement. I simply don't understand how people can
- > > discuss "free will" in this thread without ever telling anyone what it
- is,
- > > and I have no idea whatever what physics has to do with this "free
- will".
- >
- > I made a reply to Frisina's comment above, but I am not sure if it
- > made it out there. In sum, the connection between physics and
- > life-ordering systems is made quite strongly in several fields of
- > biology. One will note that even the beginning biology text includes
- > a discussion of physics.
-
- I still disagree that there is a conflict. The kind of demterminism you
- need to destroy free will doesn't exist at all on the microscopic level or
- in a macroscopic living system. Use whatever laws of physics or biology
- you wish; you will havbe no idea what I will do next. You could apply
- psychology, sociology, or any other socxial science but they arfe far from
- deterministic.
- The physics in a biology text offers no determinism either. It
- predicts nothing about the organism's action. Physics is still at peace
- with free will.
- ---
- Vince
-