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- From: mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Mcirvin)
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- Subject: Re: Aristotle and the Modern Physicist
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- Date: 23 Jul 92 15:41:45 GMT
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- matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Mcinnes B T (Dr)) writes:
-
- >[The scene: Aristotle is accidentally translated in time to the late
- >20th century, while working on the Physics. He asks a Modern Physicist
- >to help him to catch up with things.]
-
- [After the Modern Physicist convinces Aristotle that inertia is
- not due to interaction with an "inerton"... Aristotle studies
- gravity, and greatly admires Einstein's extension of Newton.]
-
- >A: Well, Einstein has explained gravity by transferring it from the
- >domain of the Second Law to that of the First. A free particle moves
- >along a "straight line", where this expression is taken to mean a
- >geodesic in the appropriate spacetime. Thus we can say, eg, that the
- >Earth moves around the Sun, not, as Newton mistakenly thought, because
- >the Sun and the Earth interact, but rather because they DO NOT interact!
- >If they interacted, the motion would not be geodesic. Magnificent!
- >MP: No! No! You have it all wrong! The Earth moves around the Sun
- >because there is some interaction [let us call it "gravity"] mediated by
- >some hitherto undetected particle which I hereby dub the "graviton",
- >with a spin that may readily be calculated........
- >Moral: It takes more than an Einstein to abolish the fantasy of the
- >"gravitational interaction".
-
- Very funny, but I think you're being a bit harsh on the Modern
- Physicist here. Nobody expects quantum gravity to be a theory
- in which all gravitational interactions can be calculated via,
- say, Feynman diagrams involving the exchange of virtual gravitons.
- What is hoped is just that the dynamics of geometry can be
- made into a quantum theory. *Real* gravitons would be quite
- present in such a case: gravitational radiation, waves in
- the metric, would occur only in discrete quanta.
-
- Even if it were possible to turn quantum gravity into something
- accessible via perturbation theory, one must realize that
- physicists are being rather metaphorical when they speak of
- virtual particles caroming off each other to mediate forces.
- The pictures are largely a computational and visualization aid
- for what is really the interplay of fields, which happen
- to consist of quantum operators.
-
- Granted that things under the influence of gravity travel
- along geodesics, you can't deny that the metric affects where
- they end up going. In that sense there is an interaction
- with the "gravitational field," defined as fluctuations in
- the geometry.
-
- And if Aristotle said to the Modern Physicist that the
- amount of rest mass belonging to the particle was due
- to an "inerton," the Modern Physicist would probably
- agree with him!
-
- --
- Matt McIrvin mcirvin@husc.harvard.edu Long live short .sigs
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