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- From: crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass)
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- Subject: Re: Chaos
- Message-ID: <1992Jul21.190612.4967@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
- Date: 21 Jul 92 19:06:12 GMT
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- In article <1992Jul21.174653.28962@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> hatay@spot.Colorado.EDU (Ferhat F. Hatay) writes:
- >Talking about the low-dimensional system: Can I bring the
- >work of Glauser and his coworkers to your attention?
- >In this line of work, they use the Proper Orthogonal
- >Decomposition idea of Lumley to turbulent flows.
- >POD modes are obtained either experimentally or numerically.
- >Analysis reveal that it is possible to do a reconstruction
- >of the flow field using a finite number of POD modes.
- >As this can be labelled as the "coherency" (here goes
- >another vague term) in the flow field, dynamical
- >evolution of these finite number of modes can be
- >written an played with.
- >
- >Does anyone think this kind of work might provide a
- >link between chaos and turbulence (in fluids) ?
-
- Lumley and his students have been trying stuff along these
- lines for over 25 years (good early ref is Lumley's 'Stochastic
- Tools in Turbulence'). More recently there have been
- several papers in Phys Flu (88 or 89 with Chambers as one
- of the authors) including a review of turblence theory in general
- by Lumley (Phys. Flu. A 4:203 (1992)). The work involves a
- Karhunen-Loeve transform to maximize the energy a finite number
- of modes of a truncated expansion. The interesting thing
- is that in the Fourier framework, the KL expansion is the
- 'best' one can do with a finite number of modes.
-
- Also, there have been a number of efforts by Lumley's students
- (such as Nadine Aubrey) to select 'coherent structures' from
- computed and experimental flow fields. The unfortunate problems
- are: 1) it is very difficult to 'select' them in a rational
- manner to be sure that you are not inventing them, 2) even if
- they exist is is difficult to assess their dynamical importance
- in the flow.
-
- dale bass
-
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- C. R. Bass crb7q@virginia.edu
- Department of Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering
- University of Virginia
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