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- From: snodgras@crash.cts.com (John Snodgrass)
- Subject: Re: How can people write like that?
- Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA
- Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:15:41 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Jul21.191541.23938@crash.cts.com>
- References: <1992Jul17.210643.2509@crash.cts.com> <1992Jul18.183735.24522@uwm.edu>
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- In <1992Jul18.183735.24522@uwm.edu> hiho@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark Peterson) writes:
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- >From article <1992Jul17.210643.2509@crash.cts.com>, by snodgras@crash.cts.com (John Snodgrass):
- >> In <1992Jul14.161117.16461@access.usask.ca> choy@skorpio.usask.ca writes:
- >>
- >>>I've read some works by philosophers and I just can't get over how
- >>>hard they are to read.
-
- >To Mr. Choy:
-
- >Well, sure, a lot of the time. I have the same problem trying to
- >follow my own father's description of DNA splicing. ;-)
-
- >But... to John:
-
- >> Don't believe what you don't understand. Maybe you'll be wrong, and
- >> miss out on something, but at least you'll never give credit where it isn't
- >> due. This is how philosophers, scientific and otherwise, play on the
- >> ignorant. They accept the assignment of authority for knowledge they never
- >> demonstrate they have. Dogmas become established, gain power, and proceed
- >> to suppress all other views, putting the lid on human discovery. It is my
- >> own belief that all truth is intuitive, that the human mind -- to the extent
- >> that it can apprehend something -- can understand how it works.
-
- >Zowie. You know, it's always been completely intuitive to me that the
- >sun goes around the earth. Just use your eyes. Anybody could tell
- >you that.... But now, tell me, why wouldn't you believe them?
-
-
- >Yust tinking out loud...
-
-
- It is not intuitive that the sun goes around the Earth, which is
- part of the reason what isĀ really going on was discovered. The geocentric
- universe didn't make sense when you worked it out in more detail, especially
- the motions of the planets. Once the real situation was discovered, it was
- _more_ intuitive than what was previously thought.
-
- Anything which involves motion of objects in 3-D space is intuitive,
- because it can be imagined in terms of the way we process data normally.
- This does not mean the image or structure imagined is correct, it just means
- its accessible to human mental processes. All engineering, all computerized
- manipulation of information, all spacial chemical models, all physical
- interactions which can be represented in 3-space (+ time) are intuitive.
-
- What is not intuitive is symbolic manipulation which is not tied to
- description of 3-D external reality (again over time). Curvature of space
- or frame-of-reference alterations of length or time are not intuitive. They
- cannot be imagined -- and no one says they can be imagined. When symbologies
- take on a life of their own (usually to someone's profit) then and only then
- do you get non-intuitive science.
-
- For instance, DNA splicing may be complex, but it is just as intuitive,
- conceptually, as film editing.
-
- SnOdGrAsS
-
- >hiho
- >--
- >mark ce peterson | uw-washington county | hiho@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
- >dept of philosophy | west bend, wi. 53095 | (414) 335-5200
-
- > The shorter the tether, the sooner the goat starves.
-